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strider
25-02-2014, 15:37
Different squads etc, I know, but just a general question - if you could somehow turn time back, would you take the disappointment of losing the league on the days against Dunfermline and Hibs if it meant we won the UEFA Cup in Manchester?

Would the high of that have made up for the lows of those two?

Bit of a daft question, I know......

Saltire-Stevie
25-02-2014, 15:38
Yes .... No brainer for me !!!

Blue 9
25-02-2014, 15:39
Naw..............

Davemc043
25-02-2014, 15:39
Without a doubt.

We've won the league on the final day a couple of times since then. We might never win a European Trophy again in our lifetime.

PaulShark
25-02-2014, 15:41
I would rather win a European trophy than win the league

Tedi
25-02-2014, 15:42
Getting to Manchester was quite an achievement, who will be the next Scottish team to get a European final?

I suppose I would swap but having both events is still something to be extremely proud of.

Shane Vendrell
25-02-2014, 15:42
Yep i would but its all hypothetical

Butcher6
25-02-2014, 15:43
No as much as Manchester hurt helecopter Sunday was the greatest feeling I'd ever felt I don't think winning the Uefa cup would beat that though the champions league would.

Lester Piggott
25-02-2014, 15:43
Yes I would.

JellaFella
25-02-2014, 15:44
No, probably not. Both league wins, but in particular the second were so unique that we will more than likely never see something that like again.

I still hold hope that we will win a European trophy when I take over the club.

Sir Duncan Ferguson
25-02-2014, 15:45
In a nano second.

We could win another title but I don't think I'll ever see us win a European trophy.

snoopyboymason
25-02-2014, 15:45
No........

mmcd_rfc
25-02-2014, 15:46
Yes, no brainer for me.

We've won the league many times. They were very memorable and personal highlights for me.

But the UEFA Cup in Manchester would have been another level entirely. Could you imagine the celebrations had we won that night? I also believe we may have went on to win the league had we won the UEFA Cup. Could you imagine the confidence within the squad it would have given them. They'd have felt untouchable

RSEA2009
25-02-2014, 15:46
No as much as Manchester hurt helecopter Sunday was the greatest feeling I'd ever felt I don't think winning the Uefa cup would beat that though the champions league would.

You'd rather win the Scottish Premier League than a European Honour

Jesus Wept

stayfor90mins
25-02-2014, 15:46
Yes, european finals don't come round every season...

barryhopez
25-02-2014, 15:47
I would say yes, as we will have shots of realistically winning the league for years to come. However, in my lifetime, I'm not sure if we'll reach another major European final sadly let alone win it.

bluemaxx
25-02-2014, 15:47
In a heart beat. League titles are ten a penny for us, but European trophies, we are very under represented in terms of wins despite our clubs stature.

Butcher6
25-02-2014, 15:48
You'd rather win the Scottish Premier League than a European Honour

Jesus Wept

No I'd rather win that league I just wouldn't change anything.

robandmundt
25-02-2014, 15:48
Without a doubt.

We've won the league on the final day a couple of times since then. We might never win a European Trophy again in our lifetime.

Every single day of the week I'd swap it. Every day.

Let's face it, there are a large number of older bears who will never see us in Europe again :(

TN8
25-02-2014, 15:48
I'd give you the Dunfermline one, the Hibs one I'm not sure. The way that one unfolded made it the most euphoric feeling I've ever had in my life.

And after the rest of the shit that happened in Manchester, would we even have been allowed to party afterwards? Incredible day right up to kick-off, after that best forgotten is how I look at it now.

BroomloanWATP
25-02-2014, 15:49
Rangers parading through town with red, white and blue everywhere with the UEFA Cup on a big bus would be the stuff of years. Unequivocally yes.

geesteev
25-02-2014, 15:49
Winning a European trophy will always be better for me.
We have won countless Championships , but only
one European trophy.
International titles count more.

ulsterbearinbath
25-02-2014, 15:50
The realistic answer is yes in a heartbeat, but it would be galling for the 02/03 side not to have been champions.

That lots run to Sevul overshadowed just how fantastic our play was for the vast majority of that season.

james72
25-02-2014, 15:52
Nope i would rather we had won it as well as

UnionRangers
25-02-2014, 15:53
yes - definitely

TPABear
25-02-2014, 15:53
Winning many titles in my life period, answer would be yes

But thinking back to the first helicopter sunday aaaahhhhhh its a hard one

Would need to think about it but I am more inclined to say yes.

tommyhlrsc
25-02-2014, 15:55
The absolute euphoria I felt In Florence could only be surpassed by an actual win in a European Final.

Would swap in a heartbeat.

GGTHEBEAR
25-02-2014, 15:57
Yes, absolutely.

A European trophy versus the SPL title? Regardless of the circumstance, a no brainer.

gourockblue50
25-02-2014, 16:00
Great memories and stories from helicopter Sunday but I would defo swap.

1972 bear
25-02-2014, 16:06
Without a doubt.
As great as those days were they wouldnt come near the joy of winning a European trophy.

jimbear
25-02-2014, 16:08
I saw us win the ECWC Final in 72. Maybe it was because I was a young man but I didn't feel the same sheer elation as I did that sunny Sunday afternoon 33 years later. I don't doubt that winning in Manchester would have been the greater achievement, but the moment listening to my radio and hearing Scott McDonald score will never leave me.

replay
25-02-2014, 16:08
European trophy for me.

ChicagoBear
25-02-2014, 16:15
Absolutely its not even a difficult decision to make. We have won 17 titles in my time on the planet. I'd happily give 1/2 of them up for a Euro trophy.

gazza162
25-02-2014, 16:21
in a heartbeat

strider
25-02-2014, 16:23
Absolutely its not even a difficult decision to make. We have won 17 titles in my time on the planet. I'd happily give 1/2 of them up for a Euro trophy.

That's why I chose those two though - just two of the most celebrated titles of recent times.

darnley-loyalist
25-02-2014, 16:27
No for me.

b burns
25-02-2014, 16:28
Helicopter Sunday for me it's just so special a league title.

strachs1974
25-02-2014, 16:29
In a heartbeat.

The disapointment of the night in Manchester still hurts:(

Vince
25-02-2014, 16:36
The SPL for a European trophy? ...... amazing that people consider this for even a second.

suttonger
25-02-2014, 16:44
winning the uefa cup for me.
we will be in that position with winning the league on the last day plenty more times in the future but the chances of us being in the position of winning a euro competition again are very slim at best.

but as it is we will have to make do with dishing out the most painful day to the scum in recent memory and one of our best,not a bad alternative to have to settle for:)

Terry Hurlocks Perm
25-02-2014, 16:46
Manchester for me.

The Gunslinger
25-02-2014, 16:46
yeah for sure.

williewoodburn
25-02-2014, 16:48
Absolutely....HS was a bonus, the big Cup wouldve been a superb achievement.....considering the scumtic and their bent officials did all they could to impede our progress that season.

daven37
25-02-2014, 16:51
I'd give you the Dunfermline one, the Hibs one I'm not sure. The way that one unfolded made it the most euphoric feeling I've ever had in my life.

And after the rest of the shit that happened in Manchester, would we even have been allowed to party afterwards? Incredible day right up to kick-off, after that best forgotten is how I look at it now.

100% agree with this mate - the feeling at Easter Road that day was utter elation that I don't think I'll ever come close to again. Even winning the league at the Piggery and watching them explode with rage was not a match for that day although the performance on the pitch at the piggery was superb.

Cannot imagine what would have happened had we won the UEFA Cup - would it have lead to more trouble?

Take away all the trouble and I might say yes.

Fubar1872
25-02-2014, 16:54
No for the simple fact of one of the greatest GIRUY to the scum and all their greeting faces on tv :)

kclarkhall
25-02-2014, 16:55
No brainer for me, a win in Manchester would have seen scenes we can't even imagine.

Then us bringing the trophy back to parade in Glasgow, make it all the sweeter.

Jelle1880
25-02-2014, 16:56
That's a tough one...

Nothing better than watching them cry on live tv, but to win a European trophy...

I'd say no.

1990rangers
25-02-2014, 16:56
No chance the league is our bread and butter, imagine the pain if it was the other way around and McDonald won the league for them!

edward carson
25-02-2014, 17:00
The European trophy every time

sirbluenose
25-02-2014, 17:01
those two last day wins were incredible to me
But We have only ever won one European trophy
My God technically the sheep have more!

Rt. Hon. Bearman
25-02-2014, 17:34
Not a chance.

Teddyjohn
25-02-2014, 17:35
Helicopter Sunday was a phenomenal day but winning a European trophy really is something special, so yes I would.

toadegree
25-02-2014, 17:36
As much as Helicopter Sunday will live with me forever, I would definitely swap that for a win in Manchester.

Rhat Catcher
25-02-2014, 17:41
No I'd rather win that league I just wouldn't change anything.

I'm with you,I'll never forget those final games of the season, great memories.

Marshall1873
25-02-2014, 17:51
Different squads etc, I know, but just a general question - if you could somehow turn time back, would you take the disappointment of losing the league on the days against Dunfermline and Hibs if it meant we won the UEFA Cup in Manchester?

Would the high of that have made up for the lows of those two?

Bit of a daft question, I know......

As a club ,I think we would.As a fan I wouldn't swap it for the world,I do not know any Zenit fans:)

Virgil Hilts
25-02-2014, 17:52
Tough one. My first reaction is to say yes, a Euro triumph would be the greater achievement. However looking at what that would do to the balance of titles, gives me second thoughts

YorkshireBlue
25-02-2014, 18:03
:blink:

What and hand them 8 in a row?

With that dominance we wouldn't have been in any kind of position to go on a run to the UEFA final in 2008.

I've never taken acid but I'm guessing this is the kind of thread I'd produce if I ever started.

hawkfalcons
25-02-2014, 18:49
yes european win anytime they dont come round very often

white owl
25-02-2014, 18:59
every time,

Brian Laudrup
25-02-2014, 19:02
In a heartbeat

shawlandsbear
25-02-2014, 19:04
I'd take the UEFA cup every time, imagine how glorious that trophy would've looked in our trophy room

Bowery Boys
25-02-2014, 19:04
Yes. Every single time.

Bill_McCai
25-02-2014, 19:06
Yes.

It's not even close.

The UEFA Cup is bigger than beating the taigs. Part of a lot of our fans problem is simply accepting that beating them is enough.

It's not.

ibroxkev
25-02-2014, 19:09
Not a chance. There's no way I could accept the humiliation of losing to them on the last day of the season time after time...

Top_Cat
25-02-2014, 19:19
Yes, without even thinking about it

mailsort
25-02-2014, 19:27
No for me. Try putting that question to a tim. I'm sure they'd rather us win the UEFA Cup than to have suffered the pain & humiliation of Helicopter Sunday.

kelpie
25-02-2014, 22:27
No, I wouldn't. Not for the UEFA Cup.

But I'd have traded 9 in a Row for the Champions League in 92/93.

KPL
25-02-2014, 22:30
Yes, without a doubt.

johngreigbck
25-02-2014, 22:32
Yes without a shadow of a doubt! I fully expect to win a premier league title again in the near future as for a European trophy, not in my lifetime.

simplythebest
25-02-2014, 22:49
In a heartbeat yes.

Ians1873
25-02-2014, 22:52
No and yes,

no, on a personal level there's not much that could come close to the feeling of winning the league on helicopter Sunday. I was in Manchester and I don't think it would have been as good, maybe getting it right up timothy in a major way as well as winning the title is the clincher.

But yes, winning a European trophy would be undoubtedly a greater historical achievement.

Would trade it? No.

Forever and ever
25-02-2014, 22:56
Not for me. The work it right up yea value from Helicopter Sunday will live with me for ever more. Wouldn't swap it for the World. So for the second time this year, I'm in the No camp! :union:

gtm
25-02-2014, 23:46
In a second, absolutely. We were a special team that season and I wanted that win so badly. It would have made a great day turn into the best of days if we could have won it.

The joy of 2003 and 2005 were very special but a European trophy is above both IMO.

Oh and by the way, if you could do the swap, we'd still have the last day win at Rugby park in 2011. Now that was a great day to be a bear!!

Number_Eight
25-02-2014, 23:53
A Scottish League title or a major European trophy?

Questions don't get easier than this.

I'll take a European bauble every time.

greggyboy
25-02-2014, 23:58
No I wouldn't. The helicopter changing direction was euphoric. It wasn't just winning the league cut was the fact they fooked it up in the last 2 minutes if a leave campaign. The look on their players faces , and o'sqeels swan song being ruined, whilst we rejoiced. I stayed in the city centre at the time and opened the windows, bombed out the party tunes with a Union Jack out my window , with numerous seething Tim's screaming a use as I laughed at them.

Id swap it for winning the CL, but that day was immense.

Teddyjohn
26-02-2014, 00:07
Different squads etc, I know, but just a general question - if you could somehow turn time back, would you take the disappointment of losing the league on the days against Dunfermline and Hibs if it meant we won the UEFA Cup in Manchester?

Would the high of that have made up for the lows of those two?

Bit of a daft question, I know......

Would have took another European win any time.

super_ally_the2nd
26-02-2014, 00:23
Genuinely in 2 minds over this.

If we had won in Manchester, I strongly believe that we'd have gone on to complete the quadruple that season and that would have been something that may never be topped (considering modern football and the increasing gap between the rich and the poor)

Helicopter Sunday on the other hand was completely unexpected and as a result was a phenomenal feeling.

:o:D

Hendrixbear
26-02-2014, 00:30
Yes. Helicopter Sunday was amazing but winning the UEFA Cup would easily have topped for me.

defender61
26-02-2014, 00:36
No, Helicopter Sunday has a name for a reason, I am literally still buzzing 9 years on, yes we can always win domestic titles but not like that.

I'd consider a trade for the big one though

klos
26-02-2014, 01:45
European trophy everytime.

Totem
26-02-2014, 02:25
This is like asking me if I would cut off a ball to get my tongue inside Kate Middleton's vagina.

I'd probably be put to the test if it was a possibility, but I'd rather just fantasise how gorgeous it would be to achieve it.

bit-a-blue
26-02-2014, 03:33
The journey to get to the final in Manchester was special ..... Darchiville miss against Lyon and if he had scored it would have been so different .

Think to myself when we were 1 down to the Greeks we can now concentrate on the league and up pops novo ......

Thinking we had blew at home to sporting then those 2 wonderful goals in Lisbon

Still don't know how shagger got to that save in Germany as good a save I've ever seen ..

Screaming at cousin for getting sent off , thinking how good is cuellar ..... Then the pens ,couldn't believe king Barry could miss unthinkable ....
Then it's up to the wee man , the tears streaming down my face in joy .....

Manchester I just wanted to win , coming home it seemed such a long journey home .

Apart from Manchester it was some journey ....

Helicopter Sunday was a great DAY my wife kept telling me the league will get ours , to be honest I thought she was talking sh!t couldn't see them not winning, as much as it we love that day , think it helps to know it hurts that mob just as much as we love it ....

ianb11
26-02-2014, 05:40
Without a shadow of a doubt yes.

auldashy21
26-02-2014, 10:25
Yes

All day, every day

steviej19
26-02-2014, 10:27
Yes euro trophy any day

strider
26-02-2014, 10:33
I have to say, most who are saying no seem to be from a "we get to wind them right up" aspect.

Surely a far bigger and better "get it right up ye" would have came from winning the UEFA Cup not long after they lost their final in the fashion they did?

bluestevo
26-02-2014, 11:13
I would defo swap it , when will we ever see a European final again

hillviewbear
26-02-2014, 11:29
no i was at both still so proud of manchester but Helicopter sunday was the best for me

Oh and they bassas cant even mention it so i get my digs in at every opportunity

Sebo1873
26-02-2014, 12:57
I would always pick a European trophy over a league title BUT given the circumstances of those league wins and the elation everyone had and the despair THEY had, if they had been the other way round it would be hard to recover from. Hard question.

westl
26-02-2014, 13:26
[QUOTE=Bill_McCai;21243174]Yes.

It's not even close.

The UEFA Cup is bigger than beating the taigs. Part of a lot of our fans problem is simply accepting that beating them is enough.

It's not.[/QUOTE

Great shout m8 , remember people on here saying league win in 2008 would have been a bigger priority because of access to CL

Its still a major disappointment that the stature our club has ,that it has only lifted the one european trophy

ICA_86
26-02-2014, 13:39
I would for the achievement of winning a European cup.

I honestly don't think the action emotion of it would come close to the original Helicopter Sunday though. The way things unfolded will mean it's etched in my mind forever.

SurreyBear73
26-02-2014, 13:39
Yes in a heartbeat.

BarcelonaOsos1972
26-02-2014, 14:10
UEFA Cup every single time. Worth about 30 SPL titles and would act as a GIRUY to the bheasts as well had we won in Manchester.

They'd take longer to live down us winning the UEFA Cup than simply another title

omegaman
26-02-2014, 14:13
Every day of the week.

Hammerinho
26-02-2014, 14:26
Absolutely

reidy
26-02-2014, 14:30
The 2008 UEFA cup will probably be the last time a Scottish team does anything of note in Europe. Oh there may be one off wins and surprise results, but for a sustained run, I can't see it ever happening again.

And yet, the who Manchester thing actually is a sad indication of the downsizing of our club. It's talked about on here reverentially and like a colossal achievement. Remembering the scum did it 5 years earlier and then teams of the quality of Middlesborough and Fulham did likewise. Winning in Manchester would have been an achievement, losing wasn't.

JohnnyReb
26-02-2014, 14:43
Nope!

We already have the "Helicopter Sundays" in the bag. It's not inconceivable that we could still win a European trophy in the future, a long shot I know, but not out of the question.

jago1965
26-02-2014, 15:30
I have to say yes, most definitely.
WATP

talktalk
26-02-2014, 16:42
100% European trophy.

alcolusa
26-02-2014, 16:44
Without a doubt , those saying no need to grow up and look at the bigger picture
Pathetic really

bigmalc
26-02-2014, 19:00
I would for the simple reason there is more chance of hell freezing over than us ever getting to another European final.

wullie1872
26-02-2014, 19:11
In a heartbeat

Diggerz
26-02-2014, 19:20
I was thinking of the other helicopter Sunday as being Dundee Utd, in which case I'd have said no as we badly needed the dosh from automatic CL entry as I doubt we'd have got there through the runner-up qualifying route.

I would have swapped the Dunfermline one though. While Sutton spitting the dummy was hilarious, if we handed the rhats that title win in exchange for winning Manchester 2008 it would have hurt them so much that we did what they failed to do by winning the UEFA Cup - with arguably a slightly weaker team than they had in 2003.

loyalmod
26-02-2014, 19:46
No from me loved that day what a celebration and the look on Timbos face a true MasterCard moment

oscar
26-02-2014, 20:30
id have taken the 07/08 League title rather than the UEFA Cup and I stick by that

John Wyllie
26-02-2014, 21:02
Was at all 3 and wouldn't have changed it