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Disco DeeJay
27-08-2012, 12:29
We have full time professional football players, who train every day and should have an excellent level of fitness.

Brechin, Peterhead, Berwick etc have milkmen, postmen, bankers, delivery drivers, even guys who turn up off the night shift, to play against us.

Can anyone honestly say that we have looked stronger or fitter in the 2nd half of any of the above games?

FFS, we were hanging on against Berwick in the last 5 mins.

Is it down to not training enough, or not using our superior fitness levels to our advantage.

The obvious way to beat these guys, is to take advantage of our full time status and fitness levels, by passing the ball and making them chase the game and work hard, resulting in them tiring as the game progresses.

Instead, we repeatedly punt the ball 50 yards up the park to immobile centre forwards.

By doing so, we are playing into the hands of part-time players and taking our fitness strengths out of the equasion.

Their defenders never need to turn and are facing the ball every time, as it falls towards them from the sky.

Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

The worrying thing is that the signings of Kyle and Sandaza suggest that Ally will continue to play this way, as both of them are slower than Mark Yardley after a 24hr session at McDonalds. :eek:

Liverpool can't give Andy Carroll away. The days of Joe Jordan type strikers are long gone.

Nowadays, the top teams are built around passing and movement. Not hoofing the ball as high and far as you can, in the hope that the big lumbering centre forward will occasionaly knock the ball down to a team-mate.

Look at Barca and Real, other than at goalkeeper and centre back, they have no-one over 6' in their team, yet Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and co. would never have got near the Rangers first team, as they would have been considered 'too wee' for Scottish football.

The one thing this whole Whyte/SFA/SFL debacle has given us, is the chance to start afresh at a lower level, bringing in a style of play that will move us forward, rather than playing a style of football that died with flares and tank tops in the 1970's.

Please, please come out of this time warp Ally and move us on.

Bullseye
27-08-2012, 12:33
Attitude...is the problem not fitness these so called par timers will bust a gut to stuff us especially on their own patches..

RangersNumberFour
27-08-2012, 12:33
A few points. Liverpool couldn't give away Andy caroll? Newcastle keep trying to buy him for 12 million, that's a lot more than nothing

Barca had pique and busquets that are well over 6 foot
And the majority of the real team will be about 6 foot or over.

hazybear
27-08-2012, 12:36
If youve got two jobs, its obvious youll be twice as fit as someone with one job.
Simple mathematics.

exilebear
27-08-2012, 12:37
OP makes a lot of very good points.

touchingcloth
27-08-2012, 12:37
Spot on post by the OP.

This is the time to change everything our whole structure. Out of the darkness came light, if we don't switch that light on and change our whole ethos from youth to first team coaching now, we never will!

I rate McCoist the man but not the manager, however it could still work for him if he changes the backroom team and sorts out the youth.

From youngest player at Auchenhowie to the first team we should have a system that gets them playing football, not just trying to win youth leagues but actually getting guys ready for first team football.

CambridgeBear
27-08-2012, 12:41
Attitude...is the problem not fitness these so called par timers will bust a gut to stuff us especially on their own patches..

This is a big part of it.

two2tango
27-08-2012, 12:44
the problem for me is we rarely sign players with pace, skill and movement

we seem to sign plodders more often than not, big strong boys with little or no football brain

its becoming tedious watching this type of football

if swansea can do it why cant we? we have no one at the club preaching a passing game

until we do we will always have the kick and rush back to front football we have played under smith and mccoist for the majority of our games

the best football we played under smith was under an injurt crisis where he was forced to play beasley and novo wide

as soon as the other players were fit it was dumped

daven37
27-08-2012, 12:46
Ask John Greig how Berwick milkmen managed to beat a far far better Rangers team than this one 1-0 in a cup match in 1967?

bluecode03
27-08-2012, 12:47
Have to agree with the OP this has been an ongoing issue and needs to be answered by the management team ASAP.

charlie bubbles
27-08-2012, 12:47
Postmen and milkmen do an awful lot of walking. Sometimes carrying heavy weights. Simple isn't it. :roll:

opersson
27-08-2012, 12:49
Milkmen and Postmen deliver on a daily basis.

S.LondonBear
27-08-2012, 12:49
Defo attitude. Compare footballers to our olympians. I run at club level for a running club do 1hr of running a day and bet i am fitter than some of the players in our club.

auldashy21
27-08-2012, 12:50
i think its more to do with attitude towards the football game than fitness... these guys are desperate to be the mighty rangers... rangers players look like they couldnt give a toss

ruglenbear
27-08-2012, 12:50
You don't need to be very fit to head away aimless long balls

I actually disagree with anyone who says we haven't looked fitter, although I understand the OP's frustration. Against Peterhead the second goal actually came at the first time in the game we were on top and the same happened yesterday. They got a goal from nothing and immediately the adrenelin gave them a boost.

The problem is not fitness, it's attitude and tactics

felix_nieto
27-08-2012, 12:51
Milkmen and Postmen deliver on a daily basis.

hahaha :):)

Goughie1873
27-08-2012, 12:53
Black as much admitted it's down to attitude, but what worrys me is Ally ripped into them at HT&there was no difference, a lot more effort needed from our players, passing the ball quickly&moving will beat the long ball all the time, why dont they?, need to ask the players that one

mentalbox
27-08-2012, 12:56
OP has made a good pint imo

Fermanaghblue
27-08-2012, 12:58
Would have to say that from what I have seen the standard in the third division ain't much lower than the SPL. We might be making them look good but some of these players look like they could get into every SPL side. That doesn't mean the standard is great but its becoming obvious that players in the SPL are over rated and over-payed.

BigChief
27-08-2012, 13:00
I would argue that my milkman and postman are fitter than the likes of Kyle.

GF
27-08-2012, 13:00
The part timers probably train twice maybe three times a week so say 6 to 9 hrs a week that's about the same as Auchenhowie and then they do a days work, while our mob swan about doing f#^k all.

shebear
27-08-2012, 13:03
The training day of a Rangers player is, in my opinion, too short. Our management team need to consider a revamp if they want to make sure our players are fit enough.
on another point however, we have had no pre season to speak of and are throwing in newly signed players who need time to adjust.
We need those who are not committed to the team to go now and those who want to stay and play to put their heart and soul into it.

carltonblue
27-08-2012, 13:09
Milkmen and Postmen deliver on a daily basis.

Milkmen can be crate-ive, but postmen should be sacked.

the outsideleft
27-08-2012, 13:10
We have full time professional football players, who train every day and should have an excellent level of fitness.

Brechin, Peterhead, Berwick etc have milkmen, postmen, bankers, delivery drivers, even guys who turn up off the night shift, to play against us.

Can anyone honestly say that we have looked stronger or fitter in the 2nd half of any of the above games?

FFS, we were hanging on against Berwick in the last 5 mins.

Is it down to not training enough, or not using our superior fitness levels to our advantage.

The obvious way to beat these guys, is to take advantage of our full time status and fitness levels, by passing the ball and making them chase the game and work hard, resulting in them tiring as the game progresses.

Instead, we repeatedly punt the ball 50 yards up the park to immobile centre forwards.

By doing so, we are playing into the hands of part-time players and taking our fitness strengths out of the equasion.

Their defenders never need to turn and are facing the ball every time, as it falls towards them from the sky.

Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

The worrying thing is that the signings of Kyle and Sandaza suggest that Ally will continue to play this way, as both of them are slower than Mark Yardley after a 24hr session at McDonalds. :eek:

Liverpool can't give Andy Carroll away. The days of Joe Jordan type strikers are long gone.

Nowadays, the top teams are built around passing and movement. Not hoofing the ball as high and far as you can, in the hope that the big lumbering centre forward will occasionaly knock the ball down to a team-mate.

Look at Barca and Real, other than at goalkeeper and centre back, they have no-one over 6' in their team, yet Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and co. would never have got near the Rangers first team, as they would have been considered 'too wee' for Scottish football.

The one thing this whole Whyte/SFA/SFL debacle has given us, is the chance to start afresh at a lower level, bringing in a style of play that will move us forward, rather than playing a style of football that died with flares and tank tops in the 1970's.

Please, please come out of this time warp Ally and move us on.
Just the way I see it Alexander kept waving everyone up and then punts the ball to them to send it back up again pi**ed me off

bristolsno1
27-08-2012, 13:11
Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

This i would love to see,
We can't even do that properly,

duds58
27-08-2012, 13:12
good post and i agree with everything you say,but and its a big but our fans do not have the patience for that to catch on,we demand instant success and we dont have the coaches imo

THEGOVANFRONT
27-08-2012, 13:22
They are not as fit but, when you play the game like we did on Sunday you are basically cutting a 90 minute game down to 50 minutes if you are lucky. So, even the oppositions training can allow them to compete at that level.
Until that changes & coupled with our lack of commitment/desire/professionalism we can expect more of the same for a while yet.

NB. Their was no urgency shown at all yesterday which is a disgrace

echoes
27-08-2012, 13:24
It is 100% down to attitude.

We know for certain that every opponent in SFL3 will be up for a game against Rangers more than any other game they have ever played. If our players turn up thinking they'll stroll it, we'll be right up against things and will struggle.

If the Rangers players turn up with a professional attitude then we will cruise the league.

That's it, just attitude.

Multiplicity
27-08-2012, 13:25
Regarding the high ball play and not playing football, if Swansea can do it, why can't we?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/gallery/gimages/tumblr_m9dj5ved5l1r1fq7do1_400.gif

lonestar
27-08-2012, 13:30
Milkmen and Postmen deliver on a daily basis.

brilliant... made me laugh :)

bearbear1
27-08-2012, 13:31
I don't know if Berwick and others are as fit as us, because we as a team do not test this.

If you look at fitness in an alternative sport like rugby, high impact for 80 minutes. Coaches at the very highest level will tell you that slightly less fit players can still run and compete physically, but what happens is that first mental fatigue occurs before physical fatigue. This leads to poor decision making at the end of matches and why superior teams in terms of fitness and skill eventually break through and win.

Similarly in football, the big teams almost always win tight matches with goals in the last 10 minutes. Why? If you take a premiership game (top v bottom), the baseline fitness is probably similar, but 90 minutes harrying and chasing to get the ball from superior players takes its toll, then mistakes happen when the pressure is applied towards the end.

Look at our match with Berwick now. How much extra effort did they have to expend over the 90 minutes to live with our long ball tactics, how much chasing, how much extra running did they have to do? Almost none. So come 80 minutes, their players fitness had not been challenged to the degree where mental and physical fatigue would set in to make a difference.

Our players will be fitter, but our slow paced, long ball tactics mean that our opponents inferior fitness isn't challenged. Add in the inspiration that would come from playing rangers at home and we are not even close to making superior fitness count.

Boabywoaby
27-08-2012, 13:32
Just the way I see it Alexander kept waving everyone up and then punts the ball to them to send it back up again pi**ed me off

Well that's coming from the tactics it's not alexander deciding how to play. Playing the long ball against Berwick dearie me

No Money No Problems
27-08-2012, 13:34
If youve got two jobs, its obvious youll be twice as fit as someone with one job.
Simple mathematics.

Haha. Of course. Brilliant :) .

thechosenone
27-08-2012, 13:46
We keep possesion and make them run after the ball, that's when you create against these smaller stuffy sides.

Passing it around at a high pempo with a bit of purpose forcing them out.

All these teams at home are going to be buzzing for this and lift their game just like any cup tie against the bigger sides. Their fitness shouldn't come close to ours and if you make them chase the ball all day, in theory you should then be able to create more space as their legs get tired and they switch off.

Slowing the game down and launching it long suits the lower league sides perfectly.

Get used to it as every away game will be like this.

bigbluebroxi
27-08-2012, 14:04
Barrie McKay is 5"9. Lewis McLeod not much taller. New signings Ian Black and Dean Shiels 5"8 and 5"11 respictively. But lets just write any old pish to have a go at Rangers.

The football on display wasnt pretty yesterday, and I doubt it will be in most of our away games.

Perhaps McCoist wants us playing like this to be prepared for the style of football that may be required in the winter at the away grounds?

We certainly havent played like that at Ibrox.

Tight compact pitches against teams who will defend deep arent exactly ideal for passing football either.

We need a wide player with a bit of imagination to beat these teams. An early goal will be vital aswell. Get an early goal and they will, for the most part, crumble.

We will win this league at a canter, people need to stop panicing and going overboard with the criticism.

Ubik
27-08-2012, 14:22
Barrie McKay is 5"9. Lewis McLeod not much taller. New signings Ian Black and Dean Shiels 5"8 and 5"11 respictively. But lets just write any old pish to have a go at Rangers.

The football on display wasnt pretty yesterday, and I doubt it will be in most of our away games.

Perhaps McCoist wants us playing like this to be prepared for the style of football that may be required in the winter at the away grounds?

We certainly havent played like that at Ibrox.

Tight compact pitches against teams who will defend deep arent exactly ideal for passing football either.

We need a wide player with a bit of imagination to beat these teams. An early goal will be vital aswell. Get an early goal and they will, for the most part, crumble.

We will win this league at a canter, people need to stop panicing and going overboard with the criticism.

that's the worst excuse ive heard yet

macsloyal
27-08-2012, 14:30
We have full time professional football players, who train every day and should have an excellent level of fitness.

Brechin, Peterhead, Berwick etc have milkmen, postmen, bankers, delivery drivers, even guys who turn up off the night shift, to play against us.

Can anyone honestly say that we have looked stronger or fitter in the 2nd half of any of the above games?

FFS, we were hanging on against Berwick in the last 5 mins.

Is it down to not training enough, or not using our superior fitness levels to our advantage.

The obvious way to beat these guys, is to take advantage of our full time status and fitness levels, by passing the ball and making them chase the game and work hard, resulting in them tiring as the game progresses.

Instead, we repeatedly punt the ball 50 yards up the park to immobile centre forwards.

By doing so, we are playing into the hands of part-time players and taking our fitness strengths out of the equasion.

Their defenders never need to turn and are facing the ball every time, as it falls towards them from the sky.

Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

The worrying thing is that the signings of Kyle and Sandaza suggest that Ally will continue to play this way, as both of them are slower than Mark Yardley after a 24hr session at McDonalds. :eek:

Liverpool can't give Andy Carroll away. The days of Joe Jordan type strikers are long gone.

Nowadays, the top teams are built around passing and movement. Not hoofing the ball as high and far as you can, in the hope that the big lumbering centre forward will occasionaly knock the ball down to a team-mate.

Look at Barca and Real, other than at goalkeeper and centre back, they have no-one over 6' in their team, yet Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and co. would never have got near the Rangers first team, as they would have been considered 'too wee' for Scottish football.

The one thing this whole Whyte/SFA/SFL debacle has given us, is the chance to start afresh at a lower level, bringing in a style of play that will move us forward, rather than playing a style of football that died with flares and tank tops in the 1970's.

Please, please come out of this time warp Ally and move us on.

An excellent post. Ally should be given a couple of months to develop a recognisable pass and move style of football, keeping the ball on the ground as much as possible and utilising what should be our superior fitness levels. As much as I love the guy, if he can't accomplish this in division 3 he should be shown the door.

thecount
27-08-2012, 14:46
We have full time professional football players, who train every day and should have an excellent level of fitness.

Brechin, Peterhead, Berwick etc have milkmen, postmen, bankers, delivery drivers, even guys who turn up off the night shift, to play against us.

Can anyone honestly say that we have looked stronger or fitter in the 2nd half of any of the above games?

FFS, we were hanging on against Berwick in the last 5 mins.

Is it down to not training enough, or not using our superior fitness levels to our advantage.

The obvious way to beat these guys, is to take advantage of our full time status and fitness levels, by passing the ball and making them chase the game and work hard, resulting in them tiring as the game progresses.

Instead, we repeatedly punt the ball 50 yards up the park to immobile centre forwards.

By doing so, we are playing into the hands of part-time players and taking our fitness strengths out of the equasion.

Their defenders never need to turn and are facing the ball every time, as it falls towards them from the sky.

Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

The worrying thing is that the signings of Kyle and Sandaza suggest that Ally will continue to play this way, as both of them are slower than Mark Yardley after a 24hr session at McDonalds. :eek:

Liverpool can't give Andy Carroll away. The days of Joe Jordan type strikers are long gone.

Nowadays, the top teams are built around passing and movement. Not hoofing the ball as high and far as you can, in the hope that the big lumbering centre forward will occasionaly knock the ball down to a team-mate.

Look at Barca and Real, other than at goalkeeper and centre back, they have no-one over 6' in their team, yet Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and co. would never have got near the Rangers first team, as they would have been considered 'too wee' for Scottish football.

The one thing this whole Whyte/SFA/SFL debacle has given us, is the chance to start afresh at a lower level, bringing in a style of play that will move us forward, rather than playing a style of football that died with flares and tank tops in the 1970's.

Please, please come out of this time warp Ally and move us on.


could it be they do not start 10 and finish at 11 :D

jbrfc1
27-08-2012, 14:56
Regarding the high ball play and not playing football, if Swansea can do it, why can't we?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/gallery/gimages/tumblr_m9dj5ved5l1r1fq7do1_400.gif

Swansea have guys who are not terrified of having the ball at their feet, any time any of our players come under pressure the first instinct is to launch it. It would also seem that Swansea are well coached and work hard on their game in training.

Moodymann
27-08-2012, 14:58
could it be they do not start 10 and finish at 11 :D

They should be starting at 8:30 am and not finishing till 5 pm.

TheHazard
27-08-2012, 15:12
TBF with the wealth of strength and conditioning information online, It isn't hard to get yourself into peak condition.

All you need is the desire to do so.

Which suprisingly, some f/t professional players don't seem to have.

Disco DeeJay
27-08-2012, 17:01
OP has made a good pint imo

Stella or Tennants? :p

coopered
27-08-2012, 17:06
Milkmen certainly have the bottle for a challenge.

Captain_Buns
27-08-2012, 17:08
We don't train properly, so how can we have superior fitness?

Clark
27-08-2012, 17:10
My Mrs works with Dennis Wyness (who now plays for Elgin) and she says he runs 10k most mornings before work - I would hazard a guess in saying our players probably don't cover 10K on an average training session?

Cannavaro
27-08-2012, 17:12
You can get seriously fit spening two hours a day on it which these guys probably do most days. Our players are probably only training 3 hours a day four days a week with gameday on top of that which is pretty standard in the UK.

On the continent the norm is for double sessions which means the players are at work a full day as opposed to half days

omegaman
27-08-2012, 17:17
It is 100% down to attitude.

We know for certain that every opponent in SFL3 will be up for a game against Rangers more than any other game they have ever played. If our players turn up thinking they'll stroll it, we'll be right up against things and will struggle.

If the Rangers players turn up with a professional attitude then we will cruise the league.

That's it, just attitude.

I'm not so sure.

I've heard this so often for so many years usually followed by some contrite player admitting the side let the fans down but would show us what they're all about the following week, only for them to turn in yet another half-assed performance.

If the players are being coached properly in terms of touch, passing, movement, set pieces, tactics, etc, etc, etc, this should be evident in their play.

It should be drilled into them to the point of being second nature.

That we're still employing the long ball as, at times our only tactic, suggests there isn't a whole lot else going on during training.

For instance, if McCoist really was so infuriated by our play during the first forty five, why wasn't there any discernible change to the way we played in the second half?

I'll accept that after everything that's happened these past six months and the fact we have a group of players who haven't had a pre-season that are still getting to know one another it would excuse the general lethargy and lack of application we've seen in the majority of our games so far, but half a dozen games into the season now, we're entitled to expect to notice a major improvement very, very soon.

If we're still huffing and puffing along this time next month, alarm bells are really going to start ringing.

TheHeebyJeebies
27-08-2012, 17:19
We have full time professional football players, who train every day and should have an excellent level of fitness.

Brechin, Peterhead, Berwick etc have milkmen, postmen, bankers, delivery drivers, even guys who turn up off the night shift, to play against us.

Can anyone honestly say that we have looked stronger or fitter in the 2nd half of any of the above games?

FFS, we were hanging on against Berwick in the last 5 mins.

Is it down to not training enough, or not using our superior fitness levels to our advantage.

The obvious way to beat these guys, is to take advantage of our full time status and fitness levels, by passing the ball and making them chase the game and work hard, resulting in them tiring as the game progresses.

Instead, we repeatedly punt the ball 50 yards up the park to immobile centre forwards.

By doing so, we are playing into the hands of part-time players and taking our fitness strengths out of the equasion.

Their defenders never need to turn and are facing the ball every time, as it falls towards them from the sky.

Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

The worrying thing is that the signings of Kyle and Sandaza suggest that Ally will continue to play this way, as both of them are slower than Mark Yardley after a 24hr session at McDonalds. :eek:

Liverpool can't give Andy Carroll away. The days of Joe Jordan type strikers are long gone.

Nowadays, the top teams are built around passing and movement. Not hoofing the ball as high and far as you can, in the hope that the big lumbering centre forward will occasionaly knock the ball down to a team-mate.

Look at Barca and Real, other than at goalkeeper and centre back, they have no-one over 6' in their team, yet Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and co. would never have got near the Rangers first team, as they would have been considered 'too wee' for Scottish football.

The one thing this whole Whyte/SFA/SFL debacle has given us, is the chance to start afresh at a lower level, bringing in a style of play that will move us forward, rather than playing a style of football that died with flares and tank tops in the 1970's.

Please, please come out of this time warp Ally and move us on.

Every away games going to be a cup tie and its not going to be pretty,it's going to be a scrap all the way.

revsween
27-08-2012, 17:24
If youve got two jobs, its obvious youll be twice as fit as someone with one job.
Simple mathematics.

Also postmen and milkmen do a lot of porn work, so most of them are doing three jobs. In truth we'll never be as fit as them, till we go part time, we should employ plumbers they do loads of porn acting, in my experience.

kirdy
27-08-2012, 17:34
A lot of these punters will be running off adrenaline with us being in their league, so with that added to the woeful attitude of our players will see them look fitter than us

GypsumFantastic
27-08-2012, 17:40
I've been making the point that fitness seems to be an issue too, but not everyone agrees with me.

It's clearly not the only factor but I think some players have visibly looked like they are out of steam towards the end of the second half of the away games so far. Also, misplaced passes, being caught in possession and lack of movement, can all be symptoms of poor fitness level.

Could be though that it is more to do with intensity, with the players perhaps playing as if they are still in a pre-season mode.

Watching Swansea on Saturday I really think it's a shame if Rangers don't use the predicament we are in to develop a similar modern, fluid, passing game. It's taken Swansea from a position of nearly exiting the league system altogether to holding their own in the EPL whilst operating under a vastly inferior budget to most other clubs.

As someone pointed out on a thread yesterday, these part time teams have successfully had a go at as by getting the ball on the deck and trying to play a bit of football, they haven't just been lumping the ball into the box. So I don't buy into the view that to play our way out of the Scottish lower leagues we need to play 'up and at them' football.

bearshire
27-08-2012, 17:48
there is no excuses our guys are on decent money to go out and beat who ever they play ,if they aint doing the buisness drop them .
We dont have a chiose we MUST win this league

tamforsyth
27-08-2012, 17:51
We need a manager who has some experience of developing a football team to play attractive passing football combined with a winning mentality.

Ally McCoist is not the man to do that, he is in the managers seat to keep the fans happy. Charles Green's god is money and won't care about what type of football we play.

Miserable Smith type football for the foreseeable future.

And before you start I will agree Walter Smith had his moments.

broxis11
27-08-2012, 18:02
Great post OP

Gio Van Bronckhorst
27-08-2012, 18:13
Bewrick did this to a better Rangers team a decade ago and got a deserved 0-0.

Ronald De Boer, Cannigga, Ferguson, Mols, McCann were much more creative than this side and couldn't do anything that night.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet.

Bille
27-08-2012, 18:17
Keep reading this crap about the fitness levels of profesional footballers and it really is crap when it comes to Scottish football in particular. Most do a half day at best split between the gym, the track, tactics and the canteen. Thats why so many of them hit the headlines for their off field antics rather than on field displays. Its why so many of the foreigners who joined us could,nt believe the lifestyle when they arrived at Ibrox. Its why so many home based players rebelled against Le Guen.
Anyone watch the Super Ally video. Him and his wife cycling up to the house. His wife looking as fit as a butchers dog while Ally huffed and puffed behind.
These so called postman and milkmen take their football and their fitness seriously. Having worked with a pub team in England in the past I can tell you that although they only trained a couple of nights a week (after a full days work) they also took it apon themselves to get along to the gym when they could. None of these guys had the finess of your average profesional thats why they played at the level they did but when it came to putting in effort or keeping themselves fit?
Part time and Full time is a bit of a myth sadly.

tauntonbear
27-08-2012, 18:23
Is the answer 'because they get a lot more exercise running away from angry husbands/partners of sexually frustrated housewives' ?

Cannavaro
27-08-2012, 19:20
The mornings could be spent with a team breakfast, then some light ball work (passing, shooting), an hour of intensive running, team lunch, tactical discussion, then afternoon an hour in the gym, more light ball work(set pieces).

Whitey_22
27-08-2012, 19:46
Defo attitude. Compare footballers to our olympians. I run at club level for a running club do 1hr of running a day and bet i am fitter than some of the players in our club.

You see the times some club runners do 10k and half marathon in. There's not a chance any of our players would do a 34 minute 10k or a 65 minutes half marathon. Not a chance. It takes a certain mindset to get yourself fit enough to do that on top of a full time job like most club runners and I don't think the majority of footballers have that commitment.

ibracadabra1
27-08-2012, 19:58
We are way too impatient with our build up so we aren't tiring out the sides we play. What Rangers fan doesn't love Super Ally? At the end of the day though if our build up is still as poor as this in a months time, if our pressing is still as poor and we are still as dreadful to watch then he won't have a leg to stand on.

bilkobear
27-08-2012, 19:59
Every away games going to be a cup tie and its not going to be pretty,it's going to be a scrap all the way.

Why is it that when we previously visited these same places for real cup ties we used to come away with four goal wins over them, usually whilst resting players?

BlueTintedSpecsOFF
27-08-2012, 20:26
Outstanding from the OP. 100% spot on.

DALRSC
27-08-2012, 20:28
OP has made a good pint imo

Ill have one of they pints then :D

Top_Cat
27-08-2012, 20:31
Attitude and application, players thinking "this is a piece of piss today"

Then getting found out.

barryhopez
27-08-2012, 20:58
Mind over matter I reckon. Their attitude was that they wanted it more, and it appears overall that some of the players feel they'll turn up and win. For all that have tweeted etc. that they are embarrassed by their and their team mates performance, I truly hope they are and that's not to just sook up to the fans!

box_to_box
27-08-2012, 21:03
We have a brand new team.

We have a lot of guys who are not used to playing for Rangers, and being in the lime light every day of their lives.

We are finding our feet in division 3, a totally different type of football than we are used to.

It is sometimes harder to play against poorer players who will run their hearts out, but with very little shape to the game. It is their "cup final".

We've struggled in the past away from home with much better teams than we have now, playing against lower league opposition.

We've hardly had a pre season, no matter if you are full time or not.

The team deserve some breathing space and time to get things right as a team.

Ayrbear72
27-08-2012, 21:08
You get what you pay for.

We had to compromise, we cannot afford or attract top players at the peak of their powers. McCoist obviously didn't put a great deal of emphasis on current fitness when he signed these guys.

22tohampden
27-08-2012, 21:14
Good debate.
But if our players are neither
-faster
-stronger
- more stamina
- more skillful
than part time 3rd division players...........why the f@@k do they wear the Rangers jersey? Simple question for those giving excuses for yesterday?

ThorIcf
27-08-2012, 21:17
First yard is in your mind(mental attitude) berwick were sharper of mind.

angrybluebear
27-08-2012, 22:05
They are not as fit but, when you play the game like we did on Sunday you are basically cutting a 90 minute game down to 50 minutes if you are lucky. So, even the oppositions training can allow them to compete at that level.
Until that changes & coupled with our lack of commitment/desire/professionalism we can expect more of the same for a while yet.

NB. Their was no urgency shown at all yesterday which is a disgrace

That also doesn't take account of time wasted with the ball out of play, there was no urgency getting it off the track and back in play, at one point when we should have been chasing a winner McCoist blootered it back up the track partly out of disgust I think, a few seasons ago he was catching the ball before it was even out of play.

box_to_box
27-08-2012, 22:24
You see the times some club runners do 10k and half marathon in. There's not a chance any of our players would do a 34 minute 10k or a 65 minutes half marathon. Not a chance. It takes a certain mindset to get yourself fit enough to do that on top of a full time job like most club runners and I don't think the majority of footballers have that commitment.

What a stupid post.

Bobster
27-08-2012, 23:09
Have any of you guys ever played against players that are twice as good you?

I have. All it did was it made me feel really motivated to go out and do my absolute best and, almost to my shock my performance was lifted and i was able to match my much more gited opponents.

This is what happened yesterday with Berwick - their players would have been running on sheer adrenaline and they came up against a team short on fitness and still getting to know each other - but without the cup final attitude.

cococfb
27-08-2012, 23:14
these people aren't fitter!

It's simple really. they're getting their big chance to play the greatest club in the world so obviously they're going to give it their all for this big chance meaning that the adrenaline is pumping from start to finish!

Its like cup finals for all these wee teams! it will die of soon i think. Well i hope.

CPA Bluenose
27-08-2012, 23:16
you have to match the other team for effort to let the quality show through.

we didnt.

need to work a lot harder and pass the ball to feet in order to improve.

bluebarney
27-08-2012, 23:20
Jock wallace used to say that you have to match and better the attitude and will to win of your opposition. If that happens then the greater skill level will kick in and victory will follow.

Disco DeeJay
27-08-2012, 23:30
Can we please put this 'lack of a pre-season' as an excuse for being short of fitness to bed.

Apart from a few recent signings, our 1st team squad reported for training on the same day as usual.

That date was the 27th June, almost 9 weeks ago.

We maybe didn't have the pre-season foreign tour or glamour games that we normally do, but we played a number of closed door friendlies and the players should have done the same amount of pre-season training as normal.

If you can't motivate yourself to get fit in 9 weeks, you shouldn't be a professional footballer.

As for the recent signings, again as professionals, I would expect them to have been training with a former/local club, or at worst on their own, in an attempt to sell themselves to a new club and earn a healthy living.

There is absolutely no excuse for our players, who in some instances were struggling to keep up with guys who worked a nightshift before a match.

pencils
27-08-2012, 23:34
Anyone is capable of getting themselves as fit as pro footballers. The difference will be as the season goes on some of these people won't be able to sustain it.

Bobster
27-08-2012, 23:35
Can we please put this 'lack of a pre-season' as an excuse for being short of fitness to bed.

Apart from a few recent signings, our 1st team squad reported for training on the same day as usual.

That date was the 27th June, almost 9 weeks ago.

We maybe didn't have the pre-season foreign tour or glamour games that we normally do, but we played a number of closed door friendlies and the players should have done the same amount of pre-season training as normal.

If you can't motivate yourself to get fit in 9 weeks, you shouldn't be a professional footballer.

As for the recent signings, again as professionals, I would expect them to have been training with a former/local club, or at worst on their own, in an attempt to sell themselves to a new club and earn a healthy living.

There is absolutely no excuse for our players, who in some instances were struggling to keep up with guys who worked a nightshift before a match.

Like i say, from experience, i know exactly how the Berwick players were feeling. Totally pumped up and running on adrenaline and some of them would have been looking to prove a point. For them it was a once in a lifetime chance to play against Rangers.

All it takes is the slightest bit of rust on our part; a couple of players having an off day; a front two or back two not clicking and we were going to have problems.

It's still early in the season. If Real Madrid can lose 3 games on the trot at this stage in the season then we can start slowly too.

Westozbear
28-08-2012, 03:44
Attitude...is the problem not fitness these so called par timers will bust a gut to stuff us especially on their own patches..

Bang on the money,it's got eff all to do with fitness,but 100% to do with the apparent lack of aforesaid attitude :mad:

robot_reggie
28-08-2012, 07:56
Regarding the high ball play and not playing football, if Swansea can do it, why can't we?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/gallery/gimages/tumblr_m9dj5ved5l1r1fq7do1_400.gif

The last 5/6 years coaching, at the club, is why.

47blue
28-08-2012, 08:38
We have full time professional football players, who train every day and should have an excellent level of fitness.

Brechin, Peterhead, Berwick etc have milkmen, postmen, bankers, delivery drivers, even guys who turn up off the night shift, to play against us.

Can anyone honestly say that we have looked stronger or fitter in the 2nd half of any of the above games?

FFS, we were hanging on against Berwick in the last 5 mins.

Is it down to not training enough, or not using our superior fitness levels to our advantage.

The obvious way to beat these guys, is to take advantage of our full time status and fitness levels, by passing the ball and making them chase the game and work hard, resulting in them tiring as the game progresses.

Instead, we repeatedly punt the ball 50 yards up the park to immobile centre forwards.

By doing so, we are playing into the hands of part-time players and taking our fitness strengths out of the equasion.

Their defenders never need to turn and are facing the ball every time, as it falls towards them from the sky.

Their midfielders stand and watch the ball fly over their heads, rather than chasing the ball, breathing out of their backsides, as it pings from blue shirt to blue shirt.

The worrying thing is that the signings of Kyle and Sandaza suggest that Ally will continue to play this way, as both of them are slower than Mark Yardley after a 24hr session at McDonalds. :eek:

Liverpool can't give Andy Carroll away. The days of Joe Jordan type strikers are long gone.

Nowadays, the top teams are built around passing and movement. Not hoofing the ball as high and far as you can, in the hope that the big lumbering centre forward will occasionaly knock the ball down to a team-mate.

Look at Barca and Real, other than at goalkeeper and centre back, they have no-one over 6' in their team, yet Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and co. would never have got near the Rangers first team, as they would have been considered 'too wee' for Scottish football.

The one thing this whole Whyte/SFA/SFL debacle has given us, is the chance to start afresh at a lower level, bringing in a style of play that will move us forward, rather than playing a style of football that died with flares and tank tops in the 1970's.

Please, please come out of this time warp Ally and move us on.

I have real concerns as to our ability to adopt a new strategy towards rebuilding our football ethos

We appear to be signing extremely average journeyman,mercenary foreigners and has beens. Too similar to what has gone on in the past

uddingstonbluenose
28-08-2012, 08:48
Ask John Greig how Berwick milkmen managed to beat a far far better Rangers team than this one 1-0 in a cup match in 1967?

Three away matches in a row though? Brechin, Peterhead and now Berwick without a 'win' in 90 minutes? Not forgetting the 2nd half struggle v Falkirk.

Something is clearly wrong.

TangledUpInBlue
28-08-2012, 08:48
Ask John Greig how Berwick milkmen managed to beat a far far better Rangers team than this one 1-0 in a cup match in 1967?

The milkmen didn't stay up all night playing cards and smoking and drinking. Bud talks about a group of our team playing cards in the wee sma' hours (2 or 3 from memory) thinking it'd be a walk-over