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isawthat
23-10-2011, 14:41
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

Zapp Brannigan
23-10-2011, 14:43
Especially second half, he was always making himself available and spreading the play. Our best midfielder today, did an important job.

Though I'd give Bocanegra MotM.

Braesbear22
23-10-2011, 14:44
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

Sorry, I dont agree. He misplaced quite a few passes, was sluggish and off the pace in tackles.

We have better options.

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 14:44
Poor 1st half, better 2nd half.

BroomloanWATP
23-10-2011, 14:45
He wasn't bad but I wouldn't go that far myself :ninja:

hillheadbear
23-10-2011, 14:45
After Jig rattled Black we saw no more of the wee thug until he was booked and subbed.

JTB
23-10-2011, 14:45
He treally deserved credit after that performance so a big well done to you Lee, I had concerns about him but he came through well.

rossc
23-10-2011, 14:45
He was good yes, but not motm. Carlos was the best player for us today.

superbear
23-10-2011, 14:46
Lee did a solid job for us today.

TheHost
23-10-2011, 14:46
Was this during the hearts 80% possession or 60% possession?

Quite simply a thread to bate and nothing more.

Edd 1873
23-10-2011, 14:46
No he wasn't, by no manner of means did he play badly he wasn't our best player.

BlueJaws72
23-10-2011, 14:46
He done Ok, none of the midfield covered themselves in glory today.

The result is what counts.

snprfc
23-10-2011, 14:46
i would have given to bocanegra

Top_Cat
23-10-2011, 14:47
Solid enough, 3 points won

jjbrfc
23-10-2011, 14:47
He did ok. We got the result and that's what is most important but we gave away a huge chunk of possession today due to playing too deep and not having enough ball players on the park. There is no need to play McCulloch and Papac in the midfield when we have guys like Mckay and Fleck in the squad.

isawthat
23-10-2011, 14:48
Was this during the hearts 80% possession or 60% possession?

Quite simply a thread to bate and nothing more.

I meant every word, believe me I am not a big fan of his, but credit given when credits due.

Rioperth
23-10-2011, 14:48
MOTM what are you on mate, he is slow, missed a few tackles, one that led to them besieging our goal, and quite plainly has no, zero, nada flair for attack, knock Davis for a below par performance today but we only looked threatening when he broke from midfield.

Were was the dig he is supposed to provide, I saw none and quite frankly they bossed us in that area of the park.

He should not be in the team we play so much better without him.

rockgirl
23-10-2011, 14:48
I wouldn't go that far as to say MOTM but he did ok. I still wouldn't trust playing him every week.

aussiearsenal
23-10-2011, 14:48
Well done jig. Had a great game. But still alot of bears on this forum criticising him after a good away win. He played well some people jus have a hard time being positive about certain players. Everyone had to play well today and they did.

Brian Laudrup
23-10-2011, 14:49
He played really well but Bocanegra was MOTM

Simon_Diamond
23-10-2011, 14:49
No he wasn't.

This is worse than those who actually go on about him being shite.

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 14:50
i would have given to bocanegra

And then McGregor followed by Papac, Whittaker and Wallace.

Emearg
23-10-2011, 14:50
Not sure about man of the match, but he played very well.

devilman
23-10-2011, 14:50
He wasn't as bad as expected but good grief - man of the match. I think there were several more worthy candidates and despite his performance not being bad I would still like him out of the team ASAP.

bobans27
23-10-2011, 14:50
He certainly proved 99% of FF today wrong, myself included.

Brian Laudrup
23-10-2011, 14:50
MOTM what are you on mate, he is slow, missed a few tackles, one that led to them besieging our goal, and quite plainly has no, zero, nada flair for attack, knock Davis for a below par performance today but we only looked threatening when he broke from midfield.

Were was the dig he is supposed to provide, I saw none and quite frankly they bossed us in that area of the park.

He should not be in the team we play so much better without him.

Very unfair today

chilebear
23-10-2011, 14:50
Nowhere near MOTM Sasa and Bocanegra were well ahead of him.LM shouldnt be in contention for MOTM.

TrueblueAl
23-10-2011, 14:50
There is no way Mcculloch was motm. He did fine along with others but Bocanegra was far and away the best player on the park.

bkkbear
23-10-2011, 14:51
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

you know the rules, if you use drugs you have to bring enough for the rest of the class!

he was average at best. too easy beat by players going past him, too quick to put his arm out to grab a jersey or arm to stop the man ( but got away with them ), almost everytime he got the ball he had to reset his feet to pass a ball.....

TheHost
23-10-2011, 14:51
I meant every word, believe me I am not a big fan of his, but credit given when credits due.

Ok i will bite apart from the result (which is obviously the most important thing)

what was this great performance?

he was lucky not to be booked when he had his usual tug at players. He played about 15 passes to the side, one pass into space on the left, missed a header, had a shot that hit a blokes head and pointed a lot.

he was by no means shite but man of the match :confused:

i am not trying to be funny but i presume you are normal watching junior football

rbedet
23-10-2011, 14:52
Well done jig. Had a great game. But still alot of bears on this forum criticising him after a good away win. He played well some people jus have a hard time being positive about certain players. Everyone had to play well today and they did.

Agree with this 100% mate.

JellaFella
23-10-2011, 14:52
Threads like this donít do either side of the McCulloch argument any good.

One thread saying he was shoe horned into the team another saying he was MOTM.

He was neither, he was decent/good.

BearsBear
23-10-2011, 14:52
Disagree,he was off the pace and would have been much better with edu,davis in the middle and him not there atall,,he had an okay game but nowhere near MOTM,bocanegra and Goian,Naisy all much better.

TheHost
23-10-2011, 14:52
Threads like this donít do either side of the McCulloch argument any good.

One thread saying he was shoe horned into the team another saying he was MOTM.

He was neither, he was decent/good.

or poor/average :p:D

DylanGer
23-10-2011, 14:53
He certainly wasn't quite MOTM he had a few wayward moments but I think he proved he's not finished and proved we can win with him in the side.

He did great at the opening goal his header that broke their move down/started ours and went on a fantastic run that stretched their defence.

I thought he did well but not MOTM well........

Rioperth
23-10-2011, 14:54
Very unfair today

We will have to agree to disagree, his imapct on the game in terms of his play was average at best, but more importantly his effect on the balance in midfield is huge, dont think either Stevie or Mo like playing with him.:(

FrankieGovanLoyal
23-10-2011, 14:54
Played well i thought, not quite man of the match.

trigganomics
23-10-2011, 14:55
Especially second half, he was always making himself available and spreading the play. Our best midfielder today, did an important job.

Though I'd give Bocanegra MotM.

Same here bocanegra was fantastic won everything.
Class defender

FernandoTorres
23-10-2011, 14:57
Looked back to his best IMO. Look a lot fitter and sharper today.

He was out of position a few times but I think that's just down to playing a position he's not natural in.

Good performance from him today and I'm one of his biggest critics.

BlueBear01
23-10-2011, 14:57
McCulloch was good today, but Bocenegra was my man of the match.

bearnekid
23-10-2011, 14:58
Certainly did better than I thought he would but we all know there are better midfielders at the club and if they dont get the chance to prove it then big Lee will remain Ally's special pal and get more games than I think he deserves.

SpongebobSquarePass
23-10-2011, 14:58
I thought he was completely finished, but he played well today.

Still don't think he'll do in a 4 man midfield though, and we did surrender possession quickly again today.

chosenfew
23-10-2011, 14:59
Interesting how others see the game, im delighted we won but thought we were poor, to me our midfield did not work gave the ball away far to many times for such a defensive set up. To me we just dont perform as a midfield unit when big Lee is in there. I was screaming at Ally to make a change to get more control of the game. A bit of brilliance by Jelavic was the real diffrence.

paisleyprod
23-10-2011, 14:59
He had a decent game.

JamesCurranBaxter
23-10-2011, 15:00
He didn't play badly.

Bear_In_Orkney
23-10-2011, 15:00
Now and then I thought I saw Big Lee doing something good but it was always Wallace or Bocanegra once I double checked.

We won despite Big Lee playing ..............generally he was a passenger.

paisleyprod
23-10-2011, 15:02
Naismith and bocanegra and Davis better as was mcgregor

CambridgeBear
23-10-2011, 15:02
Not MOTM but a solid performance.

Stuart_WATP
23-10-2011, 15:02
He was OK, MOTM? No chance.

ger4life
23-10-2011, 15:02
nowhere near man of the match

AD bear
23-10-2011, 15:02
He played really well but Bocanegra was MOTM

My thought also.
Carlos won every header and tackle .read the game brilliantly

mistyblue
23-10-2011, 15:04
He was completely anonymous first half, competent in the second, certainly not motm.

bigbluebroxi
23-10-2011, 15:05
What a lot of tosh!

macsloyal
23-10-2011, 15:05
He did ok but to say he was motm is crazy talk. :D

Dalriadager
23-10-2011, 15:05
I'm not sure if im having a whoosh moment here and everyone is at it but he was never man of the match

Rangers For Me
23-10-2011, 15:09
Good performance from McCulloch.

Don't think he was man of the match though.

tazzabear
23-10-2011, 15:10
McCulloch had a good game today.
Not mom but a good game.
One thing that needs to be said though is that those complaining about him passing the ball wide need to remember that this is generally where the space is and we keep possession.
Would you rather he tried a defence splitting pass that gives the ball away, or even finds his man but who is surrounded by opponents anodes the ball?
I counted at least six occasions where, when Papac, Wallace or Wylde were either in possession and the others ahead of the ball, McCulloch was the mam making himself available to help out his team mate.
Remember the good as well please.

MEZ575
23-10-2011, 15:16
It was certainly an improvement.

Bob the Hippo
23-10-2011, 15:19
Big Lee did ok, nothing more.
Still shouldn't be near the team.
Boca or Shagger my MOTM.

govanbluenose
23-10-2011, 15:21
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

He did indeed mispass. He hasn't proved anything much to me.

Number_Eight
23-10-2011, 15:21
The most predictable thread of the day.

Big Lee did okay today but we could now see him featuring reguarly.

Ask yourself: would that be a good thing?

supergers07
23-10-2011, 15:21
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

nah, not for me
never will be

we have better

govanbluenose
23-10-2011, 15:22
Good performance from McCulloch.

Don't think he was man of the match though.

Bocanegra is a great find. He was great. He's brave as well. Goian and him together are quite a pair, quite a find.

simply_the_best
23-10-2011, 15:23
Not for me either though some people never fail to surprise me, MOTM :blink:

govanbluenose
23-10-2011, 15:23
Good performance from McCulloch.

Don't think he was man of the match though.

Bocanegra is a great find. He was great. He's brave as well. Goian and him together are quite a pair, quite a find.

BroomloanWATP
23-10-2011, 15:24
Bocanegro is a great find. He was great. He's brave as well. Goian and him together are quite a pair, quite a find.

Bocawhatnow? :D:ninja:

jimmyhm
23-10-2011, 15:30
Sorry, I dont agree. He misplaced quite a few passes, was sluggish and off the pace in tackles.

We have better options.

:roll: Some folk just don't know when to quit. :D

dbbear
23-10-2011, 15:32
Big Lee did ok, nothing more.
Still shouldn't be near the team.
Boca or Shagger my MOTM.

Agreed, decent but should only come in when there is no one else availble. We were ok in spells but had hearts had better finishing we may not have got all 3 points.

Not saying Mcculloch would have been the cause of this but we should have kept same team push naisy up top and bedoya wide for me.

Halfwaythere
23-10-2011, 15:39
The big guy had a decent game, never let us down. Can't ask for more, however a few guys in front of him for MOTM

LionRampant
23-10-2011, 15:39
Played better than he has all season, but Bocanegra or Shagger for MOTM for me.

richardgough
23-10-2011, 15:41
I hope the people who revel in bashing big lee on here, and there are many, are suitably ashamed of themselves.

Disguting abuse he takes yet when called upon gives 100% sterling effort and drive.

Fantastic display today.

Grantos
23-10-2011, 15:42
Proved me wrong today. Well done Jig.

Thought Boganegra deserved motm though, his pass to Jelavic was lovely. As was the finish.

Sutton_Blows_g0ats
23-10-2011, 15:44
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

you must have been watching a different game from me.

chilebear
23-10-2011, 15:46
I hope the people who revel in bashing big lee on here, and there are many, are suitably ashamed of themselves.

Disguting abuse he takes yet when called upon gives 100% sterling effort and drive.

Fantastic display today.

What LM have you being watching the last few seasons?

mayfairblue2
23-10-2011, 15:47
MOTM what are you on mate, he is slow, missed a few tackles, one that led to them besieging our goal, and quite plainly has no, zero, nada flair for attack, knock Davis for a below par performance today but we only looked threatening when he broke from midfield.

Were was the dig he is supposed to provide, I saw none and quite frankly they bossed us in that area of the park.

He should not be in the team we play so much better without him.

Agree 100% mate.

calneblue
23-10-2011, 15:50
McCulloch did well today.

But Bocanegro MOM for me? He was superb & strolled the game

kerrski
23-10-2011, 15:52
Still not good enough, never will be.

He done fine today, but at the end of the day, hes in a 5 man midfield, still cannot be trusted in 4 man midfield.

GioLoyal
23-10-2011, 15:53
The closest they came to scoring - when Lee Wallace had to tackle one of their guys and nearly put the ball in his own net - came after McCulloch lost the ball in midfield.

GingerFurball
23-10-2011, 15:54
He certainly wasn't quite MOTM he had a few wayward moments but I think he proved he's not finished and proved we can win with him in the side.

He did great at the opening goal his header that broke their move down/started ours and went on a fantastic run that stretched their defence.

I thought he did well but not MOTM well........

He is finished, the shape of the team was changed in order to accomodate him.

big eck
23-10-2011, 15:55
Not for me. Bocanegro my MOM

cameross
23-10-2011, 16:00
Sorry, I dont agree. He misplaced quite a few passes, was sluggish and off the pace in tackles.

We have better options.
I definitely do not agree that he was MOTM

Blue 9
23-10-2011, 16:04
Massive 3 points for us but lets stop exaggerating on Lee's performance

richardgough
23-10-2011, 16:04
He is finished, the shape of the team was changed in order to accomodate him.

Clearly not, after todays performance.

sirdrinksalot
23-10-2011, 16:06
He played well today, not motm but can be very happy with his performance.

GioVanB
23-10-2011, 16:06
A few lapses but generally had a decent game.

Not MOTM imo.

robbee
23-10-2011, 16:07
He done Ok, none of the midfield covered themselves in glory today.

The result is what counts.

Thats my take as well. Boca easily our motm

Captain Jock
23-10-2011, 16:07
Big Lee was superb today, especially considering how much game time he's missed this season.
A good, solid performance but just a bit short of MOTM imo!

gazzabear
23-10-2011, 16:07
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

Not read the whole thread, as I can imagine how its went. MOM, your having a laugh. He wasn't awful, but he did misplace a few passes, but worse for me was the times he put others under pressure by off loading the ball to them when they had 2 or 3 hearts players around them.

Don't think he let us down today, but hope to feck he isn't going to be a regular.

Bonkle Bear
23-10-2011, 16:11
I thought he had a really good game and made a lot of sharp intelligent passes and did the 'enforcer' role well.

People on here have been too quick to completely write him off this season. He had a bad injury last year and is slowly getting his form back. I'm sure some on here won't be happy to see him do well though.

If everyone is fit he wouldn't be in my starting XI but it's still good to see signs of improvement from him.

Bocanegra was the man of the match by a country mile though.

upgrader
23-10-2011, 16:14
Great result today, Jig was average at best people are giving him pass marks because we won, the shape of the team wasnt good, and i personbally dont want to see us playing like that every week, Hearts were the dominant team for most of it, we play too deep when jig plays

Harry's Da
23-10-2011, 16:15
The most predictable thread of the day.

Big Lee did okay today but we could now see him featuring reguarly.

Ask yourself: would that be a good thing?

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Comedy Gold




Credit when it is due.

Leo_Ger
23-10-2011, 16:19
As much as I'm happy with the result and everything, I don't understand how anyone can claim one of out midfielders was MOTM.

We were overran in midfield for notable portions of the match. Todays win was the result of great performances by our goalkeeper and defence and clinical finishing from two of our strikers.

wee blue devil
23-10-2011, 16:21
Well done big Lee!

Not as bad a player as some people make out.

short22
23-10-2011, 16:36
Whitaker gets it from me.

igorloyal
23-10-2011, 16:49
Was this during the hearts 80% possession or 60% possession?

Quite simply a thread to bate and nothing more.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^

he was nowhere near as bad today as he has been previously but playing in a 5 man midfield means his inadequacies are less visible.

Did ok, no more than that. We won today, excellent result but anyone that was satisfied with that midfield display needs their head looked at.

Dave_Rfc
23-10-2011, 16:53
Had a good game, well done McCulloch!

halfaperson
23-10-2011, 16:54
he had a good game

nicnac
23-10-2011, 16:55
Boca was a standout today and he was my motm, I thought Wallace had a good game as well.

papasmurf
23-10-2011, 16:57
haha I love this place. I was traveling at the time the game was on. Pulled up at half time to see the score, he was getting pelters on here!

Eric_Cartman
23-10-2011, 16:58
Never in a million year.

He filled a gap on the park. Never did anything noticeable. Was tidy, nothing else.

Dazzzzo
23-10-2011, 16:58
a shame to see some people still having a dig at him even though he had a good game

spread the ball about the park well creating space, and was all over the pitch when he was needed

good to see him put a shift in, a good decision by mccoist today to stick him in there

paisleyprod
23-10-2011, 17:00
a shame to see some people still having a dig at him even though he had a good game

spread the ball about the park well creating space, and was all over the pitch when he was needed

good to see him put a shift in, a good decision by mccoist today to stick him in there

I cringed at the team set up today but thankfully we got the result. Papac left mid, Edu right mid and Lee in the centre and it only worked as we were 5 in midfield but it could have back fired, thankfully it didn't so credit to the full team.

Stublue
23-10-2011, 17:04
Unfortunately he cant keep it up

He is either injured or very very poor when he plays

Halfwaythere
23-10-2011, 17:05
FFS peepil, McCulloch never put put a foot wrong, he wasn't MOTM however

jdm1873
23-10-2011, 17:07
He was ok today but never anywhere near the man of the match.
Bocanegra or Goian at the back were solid, McGregor made some outstanding saves as well.

blueoracle60
23-10-2011, 17:09
Good performance

Goian/Boca/Shagga top notch

Don't know how we've done it ..but this looks like a serious Rangers Football Club..as good as I've seen at the back

I don't expect us to lose a goal

I love the team - we have better quality up front - since Super/Hateley

How can I invest ££$$?

igorloyal
23-10-2011, 17:10
Never in a million year.

He filled a gap on the park. Never did anything noticeable. Was tidy, nothing else.

That's the sensible critique of his contribution today but the McCullochistas are out in force today ....purely on the basis that he wasn't as obviously rubbish today as he has been previously and apparently that's enough for MOTM :roll:

kirdy
23-10-2011, 17:11
he was good but again the man who has played with him this time Davis never had the best a games, its as if whoever plays with him can't concentrate on their own game incase he makes a few errors, which to be fair he didn't do today

denny love
23-10-2011, 17:11
Lee had a good game needs a few more before i start rejoiceing in the streets.

Pollok-Loyal
23-10-2011, 17:12
McCulloch played well and deserves praise, I feared the worst when I seen him starting, done his job well today.

Fubar1872
23-10-2011, 17:15
He done Ok, none of the midfield covered themselves in glory today.

The result is what counts.

the mid didnt play the way they usually do but to say they never did the job is incredulous......... defended brilliantly at times imo n got the job done:cool:

Helicopter_Spotter
23-10-2011, 17:34
Thought he was good today, then again I usually do, he's a clever player. You don't hold a midfield together for a Premier league team if you are no good, as he did at Wigan.

ulsterbearinbath
23-10-2011, 17:49
He did rightly today but MOTM is ridiculous.

igorloyal
23-10-2011, 17:50
Thought he was good today, then again I usually do, he's a clever player. You don't hold a midfield together for a Premier league team if you are no good, as he did at Wigan.

are you for real or is this a major fishing operation?

isawthat
23-10-2011, 17:53
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^

he was nowhere near as bad today as he has been previously but playing in a 5 man midfield means his inadequacies are less visible.

Did ok, no more than that. We won today, excellent result but anyone that was satisfied with that midfield display needs their head looked at.

I hate to say this, because I just love the wee man, but Davis was the main reason the mid field struggled today. He failed to find his man time after time, and overhit the ball all the time. Not like him, but it was one of those days for him.

punksnotdead
23-10-2011, 17:55
He certainly proved 99% of FF today wrong, myself included.

I must be the other 1% then. As a previous poster said, we have far better options.

4J's
23-10-2011, 17:57
A bit disappointed in him today. In that , when he hit that shot in the first half and it hit the thief, that is Webster, in the face, it wasn't hard enough to have knocked him clean out. :D

Other than that, I thought he played well.

Whitey_22
23-10-2011, 18:01
A bit disappointed in him today. In that , when he hit that shot in the first half and it hit the thief, that is Webster, in the face, it wasn't hard enough to have knocked him clean out. :D

Other than that, I thought he played well.

It was going in the top corner before Webster stuck his mug infront of it.:D

Helicopter_Spotter
23-10-2011, 18:01
are you for real or is this a major fishing operation?

I should have said 'be a mainstay', otherwise yeah I mean it.

blueoracle60
23-10-2011, 18:02
Big jig is a good player..and a true Rangers man

but the core of the team is amazingly a bunch of foreign mercenaries = Goian/Boca/Wallace - outstanding - one from Embrugh!!

We are the Champions

and Shagga

sleep well; enjoy life; no surrender

:cool:

tommy blue
23-10-2011, 18:04
Usual over reaction over a poor run of form earlier this year. He is the sort of squad player who will be vital if we are to win this years league. Well done jig

hammy1960
23-10-2011, 18:04
Bocanegra def man of match, immense.

Jaws II
23-10-2011, 18:05
The whole team played well, but come on he was never MOM:roll:

Whitey_22
23-10-2011, 18:08
The whole team played well, but come on he was never MOM:roll:

No one really stood out, could be him just as easily as the other 10 IMO.

govanbluenose
23-10-2011, 18:10
Bocawhatnow? :D:ninja:

I corrected the typo. Thank you.

Kel
23-10-2011, 18:45
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

Wow, what praise do you reserve for someone who was actually involved in the game.

Bocanegra ? Naismith ? No give McCulloch the MOTM even though he was just flirting with getting involved.

He didn't play bad he just wasn't in it but thats enough for all The Big Jig fans

God Bless The Papac
23-10-2011, 19:11
Well done to the big man, best performance from him in a long time!

suramericaranger
23-10-2011, 19:15
Surprised he is not getting the blame we only won 2-0.

Wisny me
23-10-2011, 19:16
Big Lee played well. Not my MOTM but a very underrated player for us IMO.

berkshiretrueblue
23-10-2011, 19:18
I thought that with the exception of Whittaker our defence was the best part of the team today although Naismith played well as always.

Didn't think that McCulloch was anything more than ok as was the case for the rest of our midfield as well.

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 19:19
I did say he would start today if Jelavic was out and I was correct. The big man was immense today. I thought Ally got his team selection spot on. You don't become a bad player overnight. He was a good player for us last season (Walter's player of the year up until his injury) and he can be a good player for us this year. It has only ever been about fitness with the big man but fortunately he now appears to have overcome those problems.

wilso10
23-10-2011, 19:19
Lee McCulloch could have scored a hat-trick and won the game for us today and still some on here would say he was shite, it's the way of FF.

igorloyal
23-10-2011, 19:22
Thought he was good today, then again I usually do, he's a clever player. You don't hold a midfield together for a Premier league team if you are no good, as he did at Wigan.


are you for real or is this a major fishing operation?


I should have said 'be a mainstay', otherwise yeah I mean it.

Whatever, typical overegging of the pudding from the BigJigSuperLee fan club.

Worst case of Emperor's new clothes I have ever seen in a Rangers jersey, he got pass marks today, no more no less... personally i expect a lot more from a Rangers player, especially a centre midfielder.

Having watched the likes of Souness, Wilkins, Van Bronckhurst, Ferguson, Tugay, etc. I think we can do better than a failed left winger / striker playing in that position.

Maybe I'm expecting too much in these days of cost savings but i think Whyte made a very pertinent point when he talked about us getting pumped out of Europe by a team with a wage bill a fraction of ours. We could, and should, be doing better than Lee McCulloch in centre midfield.

Super-Swally
23-10-2011, 19:23
The big man put in a great shift today.

Well done super lee!

igorloyal
23-10-2011, 19:26
I did say he would start today if Jelavic was out and I was correct. The big man was immense today. I thought Ally got his team selection spot on. You don't become a bad player overnight. He was a good player for us last season (Walter's player of the year up until his injury) and he can be a good player for us this year. It has only ever been about fitness with the big man but fortunately he now appears to have overcome those problems.

Hi VillageBluenose :roll:

Nice to see you're still sticking with those same old justifications....some things just don't get tired it seems :ninja:

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 19:27
Same team again up at Pittodrie (depending on Jelavic's fitness, of course). Big Lee HAS to start.

53easy
23-10-2011, 19:28
Same team again up at Pittodrie. Big Lee HAS to start.

Jelavic will rightly start.:D

We don't need two left backs against Aberdeen.

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 19:29
Certainly was not immense, decent game, and Jelavic should be available for Pittodrie so McCulloch should drop out.

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 19:31
Jelavic will rightly start.:D

We don't need two left backs against Aberdeen.

If fit Jelavic will start, correct. Regardless, Lee has to start. Naismith can start on the left.

rosstheger
23-10-2011, 19:32
Proved people wrong?

What a laughable comment. He is absolutely gash and have decent performance isn't going to change that.

If people think McCulloch was anywhere near MOTM today we should just give up completely.

53easy
23-10-2011, 19:33
If fit Jelavic will start, correct. Regardless, Lee has to start. Naismith can start on the left.

You want to play Edu right side or Davis?

Kilsyth 1645
23-10-2011, 19:33
Got pass from me and thats about it.I don't like him in our team as when he plays we sit too deep and allow the opposition to come on to us.

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 19:33
If fit Jelavic will start, correct. Regardless, Lee has to start. Naismith can start on the left.

Who plays on the right, Edu, just so we can accommodate McCulloch... away.

freddie_crawford
23-10-2011, 19:38
There are some amount of window lickers on here.

He is crap, should never play for us again.

BTDS back again i see.

Larkie_Deek
23-10-2011, 19:40
Proved me wrong. I thought we would draw today.

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 19:41
His slack passes and poor touches nearly cost us on a few occasions in the first half. He had a better 2nd half from 60 odd minutes onwards.

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 19:57
You want to play Edu right side or Davis?

Preferably Davis.

Virgil Hilts
23-10-2011, 20:01
He was OK, hardly outstanding though

I still wouldnt play Jig & Edu in the same side

Bocanegra or Papac were MOTM for me

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 20:02
Preferably Davis.

So Davis on the right, Naismith left just so we can slot in McCulloch?

F.unk that.

freddie_crawford
23-10-2011, 20:08
So Davis on the right, Naismith left just so we can slot in McCulloch?

F.unk that.

aye cos he's that great we should build our team round him! i would like to think people are on the wind up here.

Helicopter_Spotter
23-10-2011, 20:10
Whatever, typical overegging of the pudding from the BigJigSuperLee fan club.

Worst case of Emperor's new clothes I have ever seen in a Rangers jersey, he got pass marks today, no more no less... personally i expect a lot more from a Rangers player, especially a centre midfielder.

Having watched the likes of Souness, Wilkins, Van Bronckhurst, Ferguson, Tugay, etc. I think we can do better than a failed left winger / striker playing in that position.

Maybe I'm expecting too much in these days of cost savings but i think Whyte made a very pertinent point when he talked about us getting pumped out of Europe by a team with a wage bill a fraction of ours. We could, and should, be doing better than Lee McCulloch in centre midfield.

Fair enough however my expectations based on circumstances must be lower than yours.

I also noted Mr Whyte's comments upon getting pumped out Europe, I read it as we could and should be beating these teams, even with the current crop, the performances were poor rather than the players not being good enough.

derbybear
23-10-2011, 20:10
He was okay and kept the ball reasonably well but did he haw psoitive.

Main problem is he is standing on his defenders toes and when he wins a header it goes to the opposition.

kingBoyd1
23-10-2011, 20:13
He was decent i agree with that but for me Bocanegra was outstanding today. Some great tackles and some great headers under pressure. Good solid team display today

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 20:14
So Davis on the right, Naismith left just so we can slot in McCulloch?

F.unk that.

A fully fit and on form Lee McCulloch is a very important player for us. That was proven last season. He has excelled since moving to the holding role. He has a terrific football brain. A lack of fitness was always the issue this season but he now appears to have overcome that. I trust Ally's judgement. I'd be far from disappointed if he goes with Naisy on the right with Davis and Edu in the centre but personally i'd go with the big man.

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 21:23
I think he has tremendous passing ability. He was spraying the passes about today. His positional sense is also excellent. I suppose he's a bit like Davie in that sense. He's not the quickest but he has a great football brain.

RangersRus
23-10-2011, 21:46
I truly believe that people on here see our duds do one thing in a game and think they've done ok. Even worse is that they say things like "He was MOTM" when he clearly wasn't.

I'd struggle to pick one today,but thought Papac strolled the game and it wasn't until just before he got subbed that he gave a few sloppy passes. I did miss the first 20 mins,so if he was poor before I came in I don't know.
Boca and Goian also seemed fairly solid.
The rest were average to poor,although Naisy probably gets by on his workrate and his goal.
I'm surprised this thread wasn't for Edu right enough,I thought he was non existent enough to have earned mass kudos on FF today!

meldo53
23-10-2011, 21:48
He did nothing, he cant pass, cant tackle, cant shoot as his 2 eforts showed so if bears are happy with him then i think they are wrong

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 21:48
A fully fit and on form Lee McCulloch is a very important player for us. That was proven last season. He has excelled since moving to the holding role. He has a terrific football brain. A lack of fitness was always the issue this season but he now appears to have overcome that. I trust Ally's judgement. I'd be far from disappointed if he goes with Naisy on the right with Davis and Edu in the centre but personally i'd go with the big man.

And were better when he was out injured. No place for McCulloch next week or when everyone is available.

He has had one OK game and already people are getting carried away.

freddie_crawford
23-10-2011, 21:51
Mcculloch isn't awful for once and all of a sudden he's a world beater.

DelightfulDennis
23-10-2011, 21:51
Pittodrie will be a real physical battle. And I think it'll be a tougher test than Hearts today. We really could do with his physical presence in there.

instructor
23-10-2011, 21:52
I thought it was an average display from us, the goals seperated the teams and my man of the match is Alan McGregor for some good saves.

CaptainCourageous
23-10-2011, 21:55
Pittodrie will be a real physical battle. And I think it'll be a tougher test than Hearts today. We really could do with his physical presence in there.

What physical presence is that. A push, shove, kick of the back leg... ?

He pulled out of two 50/50's today and was caught out of position on numerous occasions. His lack of awareness, poor touch and sloppy play let Hearts in on three occasions.

oldtimer
24-10-2011, 01:44
Our main ball player never plays well when jig is in team & Edu
plays much better when jig isnt in infact apart frm europe thats the worst ive seen
our midfield this year, MOTM ??? jesus mate are you his Dad ?

W.A.T.P 72
24-10-2011, 02:50
He done well today no doubt about it.

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 02:55
Our main ball player never plays well when jig is in team & Edu
plays much better when jig isnt in infact apart frm europe thats the worst ive seen
our midfield this year, MOTM ??? jesus mate are you his Dad ?

I disagree on both counts. Our best run of form over the last few years was that run we had towards Christmas a couple of years back. We had Davis and McCulloch in central midfield. Davis was outstanding. He also won player of the year whilst playing in a midfield which included big Lee.

Edu's run of bad form coincided when Lee was out injured.

Lee is a good player who is appreciated by teammates and management. Some fans just decided years ago that he's shit and they will never be convinced otherwise. The big man was outstanding last season until he got injured. You don't become a bad player overnight. Today he looked much more like the Lee of old and that 90 mins will have done him the world of good.

Albertz Loyal
24-10-2011, 03:02
He got pass marks today. Solid shift

But it's what happens to the rest of the team when he plays.. Davis, Edu, Naismaith were all practically anonymous. Coincidence? I'm not sure.. but it seems to happen a lot when he plays

It should be a straight fight between him and edu for midfield berth beside Davis.. end of.

flany-kpl
24-10-2011, 05:52
Played well, pleasantly surprised.

harrylime
24-10-2011, 06:22
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/harrylime_2006/JiggsCover.jpg

hazybear
24-10-2011, 07:17
He played more or less the same yesterday as he always does.

When, fit should Big Lee should never be out of the team.

bellshill10
24-10-2011, 07:27
thought he was brilliant yesterday

A1bertz
24-10-2011, 07:29
He got pass marks from me.....and thats rare!

TheHost
24-10-2011, 07:51
He played more or less the same yesterday as he always does.

When, fit should Big Lee should never be out of the team.

Some right "zoomers" on this board....................

jigster
24-10-2011, 08:26
Ok i will bite apart from the result (which is obviously the most important thing)

what was this great performance?

he was lucky not to be booked when he had his usual tug at players. He played about 15 passes to the side, one pass into space on the left, missed a header, had a shot that hit a blokes head and pointed a lot.

he was by no means shite but man of the match :confused:

i am not trying to be funny but i presume you are normal watching junior football

100%, while individually Lee McCulloch had a decent game the negative effect on our team was apparent, Kyle Lafferty & Mo Edu look lost when we play with mcCulloch & we sit too deep , i haven't seen the stats for yesterday but i'd imagine that was the least amount of shots on/off target we've had this season.
everyone is drawn back as all his passes are sideways with no drive coming from the middle of the pitch to the front, its just not how we've been playing as a team unit so far in the SPL this season

derbybear
24-10-2011, 08:31
100%, while individually Lee McCulloch had a decent game the negative effect on our team was apparent, Kyle Lafferty & Mo Edu look lost when we play with mcCulloch & we sit too deep , i haven't seen the stats for yesterday but i'd imagine that was the least amount of shots on/off target we've had this season.
everyone is drawn back as all his passes are sideways with no drive coming from the middle of the pitch to the front, its just not how we've been playing as a team unit so far in the SPL this season

How many saves did Kello have to make?

He does the centre halfs job for him half the time and as for him being needed at Pittodrie for his toughness - just like the time he was sent off?

Ricky Bobby
24-10-2011, 08:39
100%, while individually Lee McCulloch had a decent game the negative effect on our team was apparent, Kyle Lafferty & Mo Edu look lost when we play with mcCulloch & we sit too deep , i haven't seen the stats for yesterday but i'd imagine that was the least amount of shots on/off target we've had this season.
everyone is drawn back as all his passes are sideways with no drive coming from the middle of the pitch to the front, its just not how we've been playing as a team unit so far in the SPL this season

2 shots on target, 2 goals.

Two moments of brillance apart we weren't scoring (obvious, i know).

On another day Hearts should've got a few goals too.

Not being negative as McCulloch played ok, it's just not the way ahead.

gramps1
24-10-2011, 08:51
thought he was brilliant yesterday

Ah ust have been watching a different game

gramps1
24-10-2011, 08:54
He played more or less the same yesterday as he always does.

When, fit should Big Lee should never be out of the team.

He should never be near the teAm,unless weve got injuries

wilko_rfc
24-10-2011, 08:55
I'm not a fan of his but thought he was our best midfielder yesterday.

bluenose al
24-10-2011, 09:00
hes a terrible player and should not even be near a starting place.

gordmar
24-10-2011, 09:00
Never in a million year.

He filled a gap on the park. Never did anything noticeable. Was tidy, nothing else.

An accurate summary of his performance.

47blue
24-10-2011, 09:01
Solid display by LM today,when will FF learn the lesson about supporting our players through loss of form & injury
Well done Lee,character

jigster
24-10-2011, 10:12
2 shots on target, 2 goals.

Two moments of brillance apart we weren't scoring (obvious, i know).

On another day Hearts should've got a few goals too.

Not being negative as McCulloch played ok, it's just not the way ahead.

exactly !! but i'd imagine that jelavic will be fit/well enough to start on saturday, it will be interesting to see saturdays starting 11, i'm of the opinion that if your striker is injured you play your next best striker that hasn't happened in "scottish" football in years, managers tend to move more experienced players into different positions to justify their judgements in signing them,

we wonder why our clubs & national team struggles on the bigger stage....

Craig Whyte
24-10-2011, 10:13
If that was a man of the match performance, Ortiz is the new Laudrup.

isawthat
24-10-2011, 10:38
2 shots on target, 2 goals.

Two moments of brillance apart we weren't scoring (obvious, i know).

On another day Hearts should've got a few goals too.

Not being negative as McCulloch played ok, it's just not the way ahead.

It was a tough away game, the manager got his tactics spot on, made the right team selection, and the players did the job asked of them.

What more do you want from your team?

Did you watch Barca on Saturday, even they can look ordinary at times.

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 10:41
A fully fit and on form Lee McCulloch is a very important player for us. That was proven last season. He has excelled since moving to the holding role. He has a terrific football brain. A lack of fitness was always the issue this season but he now appears to have overcome that. I trust Ally's judgement. I'd be far from disappointed if he goes with Naisy on the right with Davis and Edu in the centre but personally i'd go with the big man.


I think he has tremendous passing ability. He was spraying the passes about today. His positional sense is also excellent. I suppose he's a bit like Davie in that sense. He's not the quickest but he has a great football brain.

VillageBluenose has got a new log in.

Tremendous passing ability and a terrific football brain? Are we talking about David Silva or Lee McCulloch here?

Ardoyne RSC
24-10-2011, 10:49
He was good yes, but not motm. Carlos was the best player for us today.


my thoughts exactly

davieloyal
24-10-2011, 10:51
yes he played very well.

scoot78
24-10-2011, 10:53
I said it in another thread, but I was at the game and I thought LM was our MOTM.

igorloyal
24-10-2011, 10:54
A fully fit and on form Lee McCulloch is a very important player for us. That was proven last season. He has excelled since moving to the holding role. He has a terrific football brain. A lack of fitness was always the issue this season but he now appears to have overcome that. I trust Ally's judgement. I'd be far from disappointed if he goes with Naisy on the right with Davis and Edu in the centre but personally i'd go with the big man.


I think he has tremendous passing ability. He was spraying the passes about today. His positional sense is also excellent. I suppose he's a bit like Davie in that sense. He's not the quickest but he has a great football brain.


VillageBluenose has got a new log in.

Tremendous passing ability and a terrific football brain? Are we talking about David Silva or Lee McCulloch here?

I'm glad someone has noticed :D

canisbaybluenose
24-10-2011, 10:55
I think I would urge a bit of caution here. What happened yesterday was Ally set out a team that was physical that would match Hearts and be hard to beat while counter attacking. This worked very well yesterday compounded by two very good substitutions at the right time.

What we need is to change the team where required, something Ally is prepared to do.

Lee did well in htat circumstance but this won't be the right formation for every game.

He certainly is not a visionary passer.

bigbluebroxi
24-10-2011, 11:14
I disagree on both counts. Our best run of form over the last few years was that run we had towards Christmas a couple of years back. We had Davis and McCulloch in central midfield. Davis was outstanding. He also won player of the year whilst playing in a midfield which included big Lee.

Edu's run of bad form coincided when Lee was out injured.

Lee is a good player who is appreciated by teammates and management. Some fans just decided years ago that he's shit and they will never be convinced otherwise. The big man was outstanding last season until he got injured. You don't become a bad player overnight. Today he looked much more like the Lee of old and that 90 mins will have done him the world of good.

Our best run of form over the last few years is the 22 SPL game sunbeaten run we are currently on just now, that he seen us conced just 1 goal in 13 away games in that time, with 6 conceded in total in the 22 games.

McCulloch has barely played in any of these games.

wilton99
24-10-2011, 11:15
Positive in everything he did, held the gap between midfield and back four , and never mispassed one ball.

Well done big man, proved us all wrong.

Sorry, but I didn`t see it like that. He certainly had one of his better games, but all things are relative.

One swallow and all that!!

bigbluebroxi
24-10-2011, 11:17
100%, while individually Lee McCulloch had a decent game the negative effect on our team was apparent, Kyle Lafferty & Mo Edu look lost when we play with mcCulloch & we sit too deep , i haven't seen the stats for yesterday but i'd imagine that was the least amount of shots on/off target we've had this season.
everyone is drawn back as all his passes are sideways with no drive coming from the middle of the pitch to the front, its just not how we've been playing as a team unit so far in the SPL this season

We had 2 shots on target the whole game.

I dont remember us having any other real chances either to be honest.

Hearts on the other hand had 3 or 4 excellent chances. When we play a defensive midfielder if he has played well we really shouldnt be giving up that many good chances, should we?

igorloyal
24-10-2011, 11:25
Our best run of form over the last few years is the 22 SPL game sunbeaten run we are currently on just now, that he seen us conced just 1 goal in 13 away games in that time, with 6 conceded in total in the 22 games.

McCulloch has barely played in any of these games.

Don't bother trying to be measured and sensible and pointing out some relevant facts to back up your argument, it will be to no avail.

There is no talking to that certain mindset that thinks BigJigSuperLee excels in his current role as the "sitting midfield enforcer", they cannot see the negative effect it has on the team overall to play with 5 man midfield to accommodate him (cause he sure as hell can't be trusted in a midfield 4).

One game where he performed to a level that justified pass marks (for a change) has them out in force naming him the man of the match!!!

It's only a matter of time now before the inevitable witch hunt restarts on Edu from the same characters to justify BigJigSuperLee's inclusion in a 4-4-2 formation.

Wee Dick's Hairnet
24-10-2011, 11:29
No he wasn't.

This is worse than those who actually go on about him being shite.

How can it be worse FFS?

Sasquatch
24-10-2011, 11:31
He had a decent game.

This^^ And no more than that!

Captain_Buns
24-10-2011, 11:35
Hopefully back on the bench where he belongs v Aberdeen.

teddybear6
24-10-2011, 11:40
We won yday despite LM anyone who believes otherwise is kidding themselves on....apart from the obvious he disrupts the formation of the team, davis was ineffective alongside him, does anyone trully believe that when we played sellick a few weeks back if LM had of played, we would have hammered them like we did, 4 going on 6 or 7 not a chance....posters on here were crapping themselves incase he was put in the team and rightly so....We have been playing great without him sometimes only in 2nd gear too...We always worry about our opponants too much.....let them worry about us.

Gersandproud
24-10-2011, 11:41
wasn't at the match - but have had two different pepole who were - tell me that he wasn't at all bad - not MOTM by the way - but a big improvmennt on previous performances - long may it continue -
I haven't been a fan of his for some time - but if his form warrants a statring role and he maintains a high standard then I certainly won't object

trouble is though I always feel he's one match away from a shocking preformance or a sending off - and meantime he's keeping a youngster or other player out of the team

santefisio
24-10-2011, 11:42
Sorry, I dont agree. He misplaced quite a few passes, was sluggish and off the pace in tackles.

We have better options.

Totally agree with this assesment!

CaptainCourageous
24-10-2011, 11:46
Hopefully back on the bench where he belongs v Aberdeen.

I can see him starting.

igorloyal
24-10-2011, 12:30
I can see him starting.

My worry is that Ally sees that result yesterday as justifying his selection and team shape rather than recognising we got a fantastic result in spite of a lacklustre performance from the midfield.

We had two chances to speak of, both of which were finished well. McGregor and the rest of the defence had to be on top form to keep a clean sheet and wouldn't have managed that if not for a terrible miss from Morowiec.

To deploy the same shape and personnel against the sheep is just asking for trouble.

Dontwasteit!
24-10-2011, 12:34
Was disappointed to see his name in the starting 11.

However he put in a good shift and a solid performance. Credit where its due.

wombat
24-10-2011, 12:44
I don't really mind him starting where he did today in a 4-5-1.

In the past 5 years the pattern in away games is that both sides compete at a high tempo and I think the oppo think if they can keep us from dominating possession and tackle hard we'll get frustrated and chances will come their way as well as ours.

I don't McCoist is concerned if a side has the amount of possession Hearts did yesterday as long as they're competing to win the game. We've a back 4 that in the Scottish terms is almost embarrassingly good, we're a threat at set pieces and in Naismith we've a guy your defense can't live with coming from midfield so we expect to win either way.

In the home games the problem is the other side have no pressure on them to try to win so they take their 50%+ of possession much deeper in their own half, keep their shape and try to kill the game.

ScottGer76
24-10-2011, 14:31
He wasn't his usual terrible self. However, he gave the ball away on two occasions which turned into chances for Hearts. Putting Edu on the right to accomodate him was not right. We played quite poorly throughout and luckily they were shit.

Liggy
24-10-2011, 14:34
He certainly proved 99% of FF today wrong, myself included.

Couldn't put it any better mate.

hazybear
24-10-2011, 14:45
According to some previous threads, it would appear that 99% of FF posters dont rate Big Lee as a footballer, despite his consistantly good performances (when fit)

It would also appear that 99% of professional coaches / managers / ex professional players, all rate Big Lee very highly.

I am in agreement with the pro's on this one, and not those who think they are experts at Champ Manager.

igorloyal
24-10-2011, 14:51
According to some previous threads, it would appear that 99% of FF posters dont rate Big Lee as a footballer, despite his consistantly good performances (when fit)

It would also appear that 99% of professional coaches / managers / ex professional players, all rate Big Lee very highly.

I am in agreement with the pro's on this one, and not those who think they are experts at Champ Manager.

What a load of condescending sh1te.

hernanpacheco
24-10-2011, 15:11
I believe that McCulloch was necessary for the functioning of the team yesterday. This I wrote in the blog http://gersglasgow.blogspot.com/2011/10/hearts-0-2-rangers-winning-mentality.html

WATP
HernŠn Federico Pacheco, Argie Bear

Cuddles
24-10-2011, 15:35
According to some previous threads, it would appear that 99% of FF posters dont rate Big Lee as a footballer, despite his consistantly good performances (when fit)

It would also appear that 99% of professional coaches / managers / ex professional players, all rate Big Lee very highly.

I am in agreement with the pro's on this one, and not those who think they are experts at Champ Manager.

Who are these "professional coaches / managers / ex professional players" who rate LMcC as a central midfielder?

Other than Walter Smith and Ally McCoist, I don't know anyone else who's ever fielded him in that position.

The fact that Lee McCulloch plays in the same number shirt as Jim Baxter, Dave Smith and Barry Ferguson once did is quite literally a crying shame.

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 20:46
He played more or less the same yesterday as he always does.

When, fit should Big Lee should never be out of the team.


Some right "zoomers" on this board....................

Aye, cause Walter was a right ''zoomer'' aswell eh... :roll:

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 20:48
Aye, cause Walter was a right ''zoomer'' aswell eh... :roll:

How you doing, dexter?

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 20:48
VillageBluenose has got a new log in.

Tremendous passing ability and a terrific football brain? Are we talking about David Silva or Lee McCulloch here?

He also keeps the ball moving, he doesn't dwell on the ball.

snoopyboymason
24-10-2011, 20:50
He wouldn't be in my team but he was ok yesterday

stayfor90mins
24-10-2011, 21:30
He done Ok, none of the midfield covered themselves in glory today.

The result is what counts.

The midfield were awful yesterday, and he was the main reason why...

cmac41
24-10-2011, 22:02
The midfield were awful yesterday, and he was the main reason why...

At last sense!!

Whitey_22
24-10-2011, 22:54
The midfield were awful yesterday, and he was the main reason why...

They were awful against St Mirren too and he wasn't the reason for that.

Too many folk quick to forget we've been terrible with and without McCulloch and we've also been great with and without McCulloch.

wilso10
24-10-2011, 22:58
What a load of condescending sh1te.

Condescending? Cry me a river.

Players who have played at the top level in the game, as well as those successful coaches at the top level of the game, know a hell of a lot more about the game than you or I.

It is absolutely no co-incidence that guys like Walter Smith, Ally McCoist and Steve Davis all rate McCulloch as highly as they do.

potnbear
24-10-2011, 22:58
one good game in every ten should prove us all wrong

Loves To Spooge
24-10-2011, 23:01
man of the match ffs :D

Is he so bad that his defenders deem that to be a good game?

Hopefully mccoist doesnt see the result as reason to include him again. His abysmal attempt at controlling the ball nearly led to a hearts goal, we might not be so lucky next time.

Village Bluenose
24-10-2011, 23:01
Just back from Barcelona and ive only seen some highlights but from what i seen he played well and its good to see him starting to get his match sharpness back as he has been sorely missed in there imo, The league results (and a solid back line) have been glossing over some very questionable performances where we have been completely unable to dominate teams and once fully up to speed and hopefully back to his POTY form of last season then there is no question he and Davis are our best 2 and we will start doing that much better and be a stronger side imo.

Loves To Spooge
24-10-2011, 23:02
Played well yesterday for me and its good to see him starting to get his match sharpness back as he has been sorely missed in there imo, The league results (and a solid back line) have been glossing over some very questionable performances where we have been completely unable to dominate teams and once fully up to speed and hopefully back to his POTY form of last season then there is no question he and Davis are our best 2 and we will start doing that much better imo.

you know absolutely nothing about football, and you dont even watch the same games as the rest of us.

We scored against the run of play, we couldnt get a hold of the midfield, a common theme when Jig starts

Simon_Diamond
24-10-2011, 23:04
Just back from Barcelona and i only seen the highlights but from what i seen he played well yesterday and its good to see him starting to get his match sharpness back as he has been sorely missed in there imo, The league results (and a solid back line) have been glossing over some very questionable performances where we have been completely unable to dominate teams and once fully up to speed and hopefully back to his POTY form of last season then there is no question he and Davis are our best 2 and we will start doing that much better imo.

Sorely missed? POTY form?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

What an embarrassment.

derbybear
24-10-2011, 23:10
Just back from Barcelona and ive only seen some highlights but from what i seen he played well and its good to see him starting to get his match sharpness back as he has been sorely missed in there imo, The league results (and a solid back line) have been glossing over some very questionable performances where we have been completely unable to dominate teams and once fully up to speed and hopefully back to his POTY form of last season then there is no question he and Davis are our best 2 and we will start doing that much better and be a stronger side imo.

He's not the only POTTY one on here.

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 23:11
Just back from Barcelona and ive only seen some highlights but from what i seen he played well and its good to see him starting to get his match sharpness back as he has been sorely missed in there imo, The league results (and a solid back line) have been glossing over some very questionable performances where we have been completely unable to dominate teams and once fully up to speed and hopefully back to his POTY form of last season then there is no question he and Davis are our best 2 and we will start doing that much better and be a stronger side imo.

Totally agree mate. We hadn't been playing well lately and the St Mirren result had been coming. Big Lee offered us a freshness in midfield yesterday. I thought he had a cracking game. He's certainly a better ''footballer'' than Edu.

Hope you enjoyed Barcelona!

Village Bluenose
24-10-2011, 23:11
you know absolutely nothing about football, and you dont even watch the same games as the rest of us.

We scored against the run of play, we couldnt get a hold of the midfield, a common theme when Jig starts

I watch the same game as all the managers and ex players/pundits/rangers legends who know a wee bit about the game imo.

We havent got a hold of the midfield in many games this season, whether jig has started or not tbh. Did you see St Mirren last week where they completely outplayed us and more or less dominated us at Ibrox, and it wasnt much better against Hibs,Killie or the Sheep etc etc. From what i seen yesterday we done a bit better but still nowhere near good enough, but once Jig gets up to full speed and hopefully his POTY form of last season then we will start doing that much better.

Loves To Spooge
24-10-2011, 23:12
quick, someone dig out that thread where Villagebluenose was utterly humiliated and ended up dancing round in circles trying to avoid answering questions put to him.

Stuart_WATP
24-10-2011, 23:17
quick, someone dig out that thread where Villagebluenose was utterly humiliated and ended up dancing round in circles trying to avoid answering questions put to him.

That narrows it down to about 1,000

govanbluenose
24-10-2011, 23:17
MOTM what are you on mate, he is slow, missed a few tackles, one that led to them besieging our goal, and quite plainly has no, zero, nada flair for attack, knock Davis for a below par performance today but we only looked threatening when he broke from midfield.

Were was the dig he is supposed to provide, I saw none and quite frankly they bossed us in that area of the park.

He should not be in the team we play so much better without him.

Nail on the head, mate...he's slow and uninventive. His distribution is - well - erratic. He doesn't have a wide vision of play. His control skills are minimal. Sometimes we have to face the sorry fact we're all getting older...

Spyro
24-10-2011, 23:19
Sorry, I dont agree. He misplaced quite a few passes, was sluggish and off the pace in tackles.

We have better options.

Your thoughts echo mine. I don't rate McCulloch all that highly, but at the same time I think he offers enough to remain at the club as a back-up option. He can be crap but he's not as bad as some like to make out.

But he should not be a starter which he always seems to be, it really does feel like a good old boys culture and as you say, we have better options. We struggled to get ourselves together in the first half, and McCulloch wasn't doing a great job at all throughout. He improved in the second half, Hearts were owining the middle of the pitch and McCulloch was having zilch effect, I can't think of the last game where he has been brilliant for 90 minutes.

Backup for the first team is what he should be, although I am surprised that he is not captain.

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 23:20
Just back from Barcelona and ive only seen some highlights but from what i seen he played well and its good to see him starting to get his match sharpness back as he has been sorely missed in there imo, The league results (and a solid back line) have been glossing over some very questionable performances where we have been completely unable to dominate teams and once fully up to speed and hopefully back to his POTY form of last season then there is no question he and Davis are our best 2 and we will start doing that much better and be a stronger side imo.

What on earth are you talking about? It certainly can't be Lee McCulloch. Are you sure you're not getting him mixed up with someone else? :confused:

POTY form? This is the best yet.

Whitey_22
24-10-2011, 23:21
Your thoughts echo mine. I don't rate McCulloch all that highly, but at the same time I think he offers enough to remain at the club as a back-up option. He can be crap but he's not as bad as some like to make out.

But he should not be a starter which he always seems to be, it really does feel like a good old boys culture and as you say, we have better options. We struggled to get ourselves together in the first half, and McCulloch wasn't doing a great job at all throughout. He improved in the second half, Hearts were owining the middle of the pitch and McCulloch was having zilch effect, I can't think of the last game where he has been brilliant for 90 minutes.

Backup for the first team is what he should be, although I am surprised that he is not captain.

That's not true at all. He's started well under 50% of matches in the last 3 seasons.

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 23:22
What on earth are you talking about? It certainly can't be Lee McCulloch. Are you sure you're not getting him mixed up with someone else? :confused:

POTY form? This is the best yet.

Walter Smith said big Lee was heading towards player of the year until he picked up that injury last season (Miller had left by that point).

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 23:25
Walter Smith said big Lee was heading towards player of the year until he picked up that injury last season (Miller had left by that point).

Laughable stuff.

Village Bluenose
24-10-2011, 23:26
Totally agree mate. We hadn't been playing well lately and the St Mirren result had been coming. Big Lee offered us a freshness in midfield yesterday. I thought he had a cracking game. He's certainly a better ''footballer'' than Edu.

Hope you enjoyed Barcelona!


He has been sorely missed in there for me and its good to see him slowly starting to get his fitness/sharpness back (as it wasnt looking like he would tbh after the injury and long lay off) and hopefully once he gets fully up to speed he can get back to his POTY form of last season and we will start dominating games much better imo.

Loved it, Done the tour and was at the Sevilla game, (couldnt believe we never got a goal :D) but it was still a good game with a great atmosphere and experience, (great place to go for a break overall).

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 23:29
We've gone 22 games unbeaten in the league, haven't conceded an away goal this season are 10 points clear of the mhanks and we still have people hankering for McCulloch back in the side. It is truly unbelievable.

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 23:29
Laughable stuff.

It's true and I happen to agree with him. He was a key player until that injury.

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 23:32
It's true and I happen to agree with him. He was a key player until that injury.

And this season? He's been 'key'? He's not needed. We've blown numerous sides away without him slowing the game down in the midfield.

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 23:33
He has been sorely missed in there for me and its good to see him slowly starting to get his fitness/sharpness back and hopefully once he gets fully up to speed he can get back to his POTY form of last season.

Loved it, Done the tour and was at the Sevilla game, (couldnt believe we never got a goal :D) but it was still a good game with a great atmosphere and experience, (great place to go for a break overall).

It's always been about fitness with the big man. He's been hampered by injuries and his form has suffered, which he admitted. If he can just stay fit though i'm sure he can get back to his POTY form of last season. His performances against Liverpool and Hearts have been encouraging. He has to start at Pittodrie.

I heard there was a punch-up right at the end!

Virgil Hilts
24-10-2011, 23:35
Cant belive this thread is still going...

McCulloch was nowhere near MOTM... and it should be clear to every Gers fan, its him or EDU in midfield not both

Heart overran the midfield in parts on Sunday, lets not let the score blind us to that fact....

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 23:36
And this season? He's been 'key'? He's not needed. We've blown numerous sides away without him slowing the game down in the midfield.

You don't become a bad player overnight. A lack of fitness has been the issue. If he can stay fit there's no reason why he can't get back to his best.

Simon_Diamond
24-10-2011, 23:38
You don't become a bad player overnight. A lack of fitness has been the issue. If he can stay fit there's no reason why he can't get back to his best.

He was never a good player.

An average plodder his whole career.

And we've never ever missed him. Ever.

Whitey_22
24-10-2011, 23:39
He was never a good player.

An average plodder his whole career.

And we've never ever missed him. Ever.

Wigan fans still think highly of him as a Premiership midfielder.

scotprod
24-10-2011, 23:39
Cant belive this thread is still going...

McCulloch was nowhere near MOTM... and it should be clear to every Gers fan, its him or EDU in midfield not both

Heart overran the midfield in parts on Sunday, lets not let the score blind us to that fact....

Was just about to say the same.

Get him to ****.

Bowery Boys
24-10-2011, 23:41
You don't become a bad player overnight. A lack of fitness has been the issue. If he can stay fit there's no reason why he can't get back to his best.

His best shouldn't be deemed good enough for a Rangers midfield. It saddens me that people seem to think he's a good player when all evidence points to the contrary. For instance yesterday when he failed to control a simple ball, slipped on his arse and Hearts broke and should have scored. He's finished.

Simon_Diamond
24-10-2011, 23:42
Wigan fans still think highly of him as a Premiership midfielder.

Cool. What Wigan fan did you get that from?

Virgil Hilts
24-10-2011, 23:45
You don't become a bad player overnight. A lack of fitness has been the issue. If he can stay fit there's no reason why he can't get back to his best.
He is MINCE!

At least when EDU misses a tackle he tracks back and tries to shut down the player's options... if Jig misses a tackle he's flat out on his erse...

He's not good enough, despite his friendly relations with the manager

DelightfulDennis
24-10-2011, 23:45
He was never a good player.

An average plodder his whole career.

And we've never ever missed him. Ever.

Walter certainly disagreed with you. And so have several other managers. To describe him as a plodder is utter nonsense. You must have a very short memory as he was a key player last season until his injury.

Village Bluenose
24-10-2011, 23:45
It's always been about fitness with the big man. He's been hampered by injuries and his form has suffered, which he admitted. If he can just stay fit though i'm sure he can get back to his POTY form of last season. His performances against Liverpool and Hearts have been encouraging. He has to start at Pittodrie.

I heard there was a punch-up right at the end!

Havent seen the Liverpool game yet, Did he play well? and i agree its always been about fitness, i wasnt confident he could get back to his level from last season tbh but from what i seen from yesterday, im much more optimistic and i think he will be a stick on to start at Pittodrie.

I was right up in the gods and havent seen a replay of the game yet but it looked like handbags just designed to put Messi off tbh, (and it worked as it must have been about 5 minutes, with Kanoute kicking it off the spot as well, then it looked like a very poor penalty, albeit the keeper had a great game to be fair, (made for a great atmosphere though) and it was superb how they were all still up lauding Messi after it and chanting his name. (He is worshipped like a god over there, its incredible,).

Calio
24-10-2011, 23:46
What the flipping flop has any of the last page of this thread got to do with his performance at the weekend as per the OP?

This has went off on a tangent better than a Billy `the token Tim` Connoly stand up gig.

& the patters as bad.