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Earl of Leven
21-07-2010, 14:58
Greetings.....not a lot to report.

Germany had a superb WC as we all know....3rd place with 3rd youngest squad in tournament.

Heiko Westermann has joined HSV from Schalke for 7.5m euros....HSV also picked up Denis Diekmeier, highly rated full back from Nuremburg....Sami Khedira says he has not signed for anyone and is not agitating for a move....Lukas Podolski wants to stay at Cologne despote interest from Serie A.....Van Gaal says he may leave after his contract expires next summer....

I'll keep you posted re fixtures, the newly promoted teams and who might win things.

Bunky_13
21-07-2010, 15:00
Full Fixtures downloadable here

http://static.bundesliga.de/media/native/autosync/bundesliga_fixtures_2010-11.pdf

Earl of Leven
21-07-2010, 15:02
Cheers mate......

crl00002
21-07-2010, 15:18
Bundesliga is always good to watch with plenty of goals.

Earl of Leven
23-07-2010, 15:15
Friday 20th August 2010
Bayern Munich v VfL Wolfsburg

Saturday 21st August 2010
FC Cologne v Kaiserslautern
TSG Hoffenheim v Werder Bremen
SC Freiburg v St Pauli
Hannover 96 v Eintracht Frankfurt
Borussia Monchengladbach v Nurnberg
Hamburg SV v Schalke 04

Sunday 22nd August 2010
Mainz v VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Dortmund v Bayer Leverkusen

Earl of Leven
23-07-2010, 15:18
Tough start for Shteve McClaren....and HSV v Schalke will be game of the weekend.

stevogf7
23-07-2010, 15:20
Are the Bungesliga games on espn or sky mate?

Earl of Leven
23-07-2010, 15:43
Are the Bungesliga games on espn or sky mate?

ESPN...usually Friday night and Sunday around 4pm. Also an hour long round up and a preview show as well....really well done.

student_loyal
23-07-2010, 15:44
When do HSV play their opening Euro fixture?

:angel:

Earl of Leven
23-07-2010, 15:47
When do HSV play their opening Euro fixture?

:angel:

Team MP W D L F A D P Last 5 matches
1 Bayer Leverkusen 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
2 Bayern München 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
3 Borussia Dortmund 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
4 Borussia M'gla… 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
5 Eintracht Fran… 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
6 Freiburg 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
7 Hamburger SV 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
8 Hannover 96 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
9 Hoffenheim 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
10 Kaiserslautern 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
11 Köln 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
12 Mainz 05 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
13 Nürnberg 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
14 Schalke 04 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
15 St. Pauli 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
16 Stuttgart 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
17 Werder Bremen 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0
18 Wolfsburg 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0 0

And there you shall remain fish face.

stevogf7
23-07-2010, 15:53
ESPN...usually Friday night and Sunday around 4pm. Also an hour long round up and a preview show as well....really well done.

Cheers for the info.

Walnuts
23-07-2010, 17:38
Not sure if game times are the same as last season...on 1st glance they are.

Friday game is 7:30pm
Saturday games are 2:30pm....Saturday late game is 5:30pm (HSV v S04 for 1st round games)
Sunday games are 2:30pm and 4:30pm (pretty sure it was 4pm and 6pm last season)

Blackpool Dave
23-07-2010, 17:43
Booking my flight next week for the hamburg v kaiserlautern game on oct 1st

cooler_king
23-07-2010, 17:59
ESPN...usually Friday night and Sunday around 4pm. Also an hour long round up and a preview show as well....really well done.

if a EPL game is shown live on sat @ 5:30 then ESPN normally have a delayed showing of the tea time bundesliga game around 10pm

C_K

Earl of Leven
26-07-2010, 12:29
Raul to Schalke is the biggest news.......deal should happen within next 24 hours. With Kuranyi gone the fans would have a new superstar to focus on as Magath focuses on grinding out wins as he does so well.

Stuttgart want Fredi Bobic as their new General Manager. He is only 38 and was General Manager of Chernomorets Burgas.

Hamid Altintop wants to leave Bayern as he feels he has not established himself as he would have liked...but may give it one more season.

iceman1690
26-07-2010, 20:32
think munich will win the league again

Der Berliner
26-07-2010, 23:18
Just noted that Paraguayan striker Nelson Valdez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Valdez) is being told by his coach at Borussia Dortmund to find himself a new club. Wants to dig in since he has a deal till 2012 (according to said report), but Jürgen Klopp doesn't want him.

pastmaster95 & 244
26-07-2010, 23:26
I'm taking in Schalke v Hamburg and Bayern Munich v Cologne this Saturday at Gelsenkirchen in the Cup.

I'll post an update in this thread re early form when I get back next week.

PunkScott
27-07-2010, 00:03
Whats the odds on Dortmund finishing top?

NDiayes Shinpads
27-07-2010, 00:06
HSV have also signed Gojko Kacar, him and Westermann are two excellent signings, and fairly cheap as well.

AMC_9
27-07-2010, 00:26
Whats the odds on Dortmund finishing top?

Top price 20/1 with a few bookies.

Odds for Bundesliga http://www.oddschecker.com/football/european-football/germany/bundesliga-one/german-bundesliga/winner

Mad Broon
27-07-2010, 03:55
Didn't know that Westerman had signed for Hamburg!

Have seen that Wolfsburg have snapped up both Arne Freidrich and Simon Kjaer, Kjaer being someone i'm looking forward to seeing more of this coming season.

Looking forward to the Bundesliga almost as much as any other league this year, enjoyed the coverage on ESPN last year and hope it continues in the same vein this year.

Also, is it just that I can't find the option anymore, or have Hamburg stopped offering their website in English?

Earl of Leven
27-07-2010, 09:36
Kjaer is a great signing......15m euros is the fee if it goes ahead. Player himself fancies Man U, Liverpool or Juve but there are no bids other than from Bundesliga.

Valdez wants to play in Spain despite EPL offers.

billiam
27-07-2010, 09:36
Also, is it just that I can't find the option anymore, or have Hamburg stopped offering their website in English?

http://www.hsv.de/en/

should work. EDIT - looks well out of date, still showing last season's news.

Earl of Leven
27-07-2010, 09:40
Jul '10 Gojko Kacar Hamburger SV from Hertha Berlin
Jul '10 Heiko Westermann Hamburger SV from Schalke
Jul '10 Dennis Diekmeier Hamburger SV from Nurnberg
Jul '10 Erwin Hoffer Kaiserslautern from Napoli
Jul '10 Cicero Wolfsburg from Tombense
Jul '10 Mario Mandzukic Wolfsburg from Dinamo Zagreb
Jul '10 Nicolai Jorgensen Bayer L. from Akademisk Boldklub
Jul '10 Jens Hegeler Nurnberg from Bayer Leverkusen
Jul '10 Jan Simunek Kaiserslautern from Wolfsburg
Jul '10 Simon Kjaer Wolfsburg from Palermo

Earl of Leven
27-07-2010, 09:41
Bayer L.
Danish forward Nicolai Jorgensen from Akademisk Boldklub; Midfielder Michael Ballack on a free transfer from Chelsea; Midfielder Hanno Balitsch from Hannover; Croatian defender Domagoj Vida from Osijek; Midfielder Sidney Sam from Hamburger; Croatian midfielder Zvonko Pamic from Karlovac; Brazilian defender Lucas from Portuguesa.

Bayern
Midfielder Toni Kroos (loan return) from Bayer Leverkusen.

Borussia M.
Brazilian forward Igor de Camargo from Standard; Defender Jens Wissing from Preussen Munster; Brazilian defender Bamba Anderson from Fortuna Duesseldorf.

Dortmund
Polish midfielder Lukasz Pisczek on a free transfer from Hertha Berlin; Polish forward Robert Lewandowski from Lech Poznan for a fee of €4m; Australian goalkeeper Mitchell Langerak from Melbourne Victory; Japanese midfielder Shinji Kagawa from Cerezo Osaka for a fee of €0.4m.

Frankfurt
Greek midfielder Georgios Tzavelas from Panionios; Midfielder Sebastian Rode from Kickers Offenbach; Greek forward Theofanis Gekas from Bayer Leverkusen for a fee of €1m.

Freiburg
Midfielder Maximilian Nicu on a free transfer from Hertha Berlin.

Hamburger SV
Serbian midfielder Gojko Kacar from Hertha Berlin; Defender Heiko Westermann from Schalke for a fee of €7.5m; Defender Dennis Diekmeier from Nurnberg for a fee of €2.5m; Defender Lennard Sowah from Portsmouth; Czech goalkeeper Jaroslav Drobny from Hertha Berlin.

Hannover 96
Goalkeeper Ron-Robert Zieler on a free transfer from Manchester United; Austrian defender Emanuel Pogatetz on a free transfer from Middlesbrough; Goalkeeper Markus Miller from Karlsruhe.

Hoffenheim
Forward Peniel Mlapa from 1860 Munich; Goalkeeper Tom Starke from Duisburg.

Kaiserslautern
Austrian forward Erwin Hoffer on loan from Napoli; Czech defender Jan Simunek from Wolfsburg; Danish midfielder Leon Jessen from Midtjylland for a fee of €0.6m.

Koln
Croatian midfielder Mato Jajalo on loan from Siena; Midfielder Martin Lanig from Stuttgart; Greek defender Konstantinos Giannoulis from Iraklis; Romanian forward Alexandru Ionita from Rapid Bucharest for a fee of €2.5m.

Mainz
Nigerian midfielder Haruna Babangida from Kuban Krasnodar; Midfielder Lewis Holtby on loan from Schalke; Midfielder Marco Caligiuri from Greuther Furth; Turkish midfielder Tufan Tosunoglu from Kickers Offenbach.

Nurnberg
Midfielder Jens Hegeler on loan from Bayer Leverkusen; Midfielder Mehmet Ekici on loan from Bayern Munich; Swedish defender Per Nilsson from Hoffenheim.

Schalke 04
Greek defender Kyriakos Papadopoulos from Olympiacos; Japanese defender Atsuto Uchida from Kashima Antlers for a fee of €1.3m; Defender Tim Hoogland from Mainz; Slovakian forward Erik Jendrisek from Kaiserslautern; Defender Christoph Metzelder from Real Madrid.

Stuttgart
Italian defender Cristian Molinaro (permanent signing) from Juventus for a fee of €3.9m; Midfielder Christian Gentner from Wolfsburg; Goalkeeper Marc Ziegler from Borussia Dortmund; Austrian forward Martin Harnik from Werder Bremen.

Werder
Forward Felix Kroos from Hansa Rostock; Austrian forward Marko Arnautovic from Twente.

Wolfsburg
Brazilian midfielder Cicero on loan from Tombense; Croatian forward Mario Mandzukic from Dinamo Zagreb for a fee of €9m; Danish defender Simon Kjaer from Palermo for a fee of €10m; Defender Arne Friedrich from Hertha Berlin; Swiss midfielder Nassim Ben Khalifa from Grasshoppers Zurich.

El Guaje
27-07-2010, 09:43
Dortmund v Leverkusen on the opening week! Should be a cracker.

I'm adopting Leverkusen for the season

Earl of Leven
27-07-2010, 09:46
Dortmund v Leverkusen on the opening week! Should be a cracker.

I'm adopting Leverkusen for the season

Good season last time out...young team....and upgraded stadium.

Stuttgart will do well this season...as will Schalke and HSV.

Can't see past Munich though.

El Guaje
27-07-2010, 09:48
Good season last time out...young team....and upgraded stadium.

Stuttgart will do well this season...as will Schalke and HSV.

Can't see past Munich though.

Schalke have made some decent signings and obviously have Magath so they'll be there or thereabouts...

Earl of Leven
27-07-2010, 09:51
Schalke have made some decent signings and obviously have Magath so they'll be there or thereabouts...

Fanatical crowd...great manager....decent squad.

Magath has to take the BUndesliga's joke club to actual success rather than endless 2nd place finishes, tales of bad luck and actual tragically bad luck.

El Guaje
27-07-2010, 10:09
Fanatical crowd...great manager....decent squad.

Magath has to take the BUndesliga's joke club to actual success rather than endless 2nd place finishes, tales of bad luck and actual tragically bad luck.

I've just been hunting for the ESPN Bundesliga schedule, but no joy.

Kiery
27-07-2010, 10:41
I like Bayern Munich but I think I will adopt Wolfsburg this season and support good old Sheteeve!

I really hope he does well with them and he certainly has signed a couple of good players in Kjaer and Friedrich.

I will be watching more of the Bundesliga this season.

Earl of Leven
27-07-2010, 10:42
I've just been hunting for the ESPN Bundesliga schedule, but no joy.

http://www.bundesliga.de/en/spielplaene/index.php

Live games usually Friday night...and Sunday afternoon.

Kiery
27-07-2010, 10:45
just noticed this on that bundesliga site. Apologies if posted before


The German professional players union, the VdV, has crowned Arjen Robben its 2009-10 Player of the Year.


The German professional players union, the VdV, has crowned Arjen Robben its 2009-10 Player of the Year.

The Bayern München and Netherlands star picked up a massive 72.7 percent of the vote, leaving him streets ahead of his FC Bayern team-mate Bastian Schweinsteiger, in second with 6.2 percent, and Bundesliga top scorer Edin Dzeko of VfL Wolfsburg, third on 4.9.

Van Gaal pips Magath

Another FC Bayern player, Thomas Müller, was the equally emphatic victor in the Best Young Player, garnering 73.1 percent of the votes ahead of Marco Reus (Borussia Mönchengladbach, 10.5 percent) and Holger Badstuber (Bayern München, 3.6 percent).

The union's Coach of the Year contest was a much closer-run affair, reminiscent of the title race itself, with Bayern's Louis van Gaal (38.8 percent) just pipping Felix Magath of Schalke 04 (38.3 percent) at the post. Borussia Dortmund coach Jürgen Klopp was third on 8.6 percent.

And here's the VdV's Team of the Season for 2009-10:

Manuel Neuer (32.5 percent)
Philipp Lahm (85.6 percent)
Mats Hummels (30.1 percent)
Sami Hyypiä (29.7 percent)
Dennis Aogo 20.6 percent)
Arjen Robben (94.3 percent)
Bastian Schweinsteiger (72.2 percent)
Thomas Müller (43.5 percent)
Toni Kroos (37.8 percent)
Edin Dzeko (56 percent)
Stefan Kießling (41.2 percent)

Players from the Bundesliga, 2. Bundesliga, Third Division and Regional League (Fourth Division level) and all other members of the VdV are eligible to take part in the poll.

albion1966
27-07-2010, 11:17
Booking my flight next week for the hamburg v kaiserlautern game on oct 1st

Going to this one too!

flensbear
27-07-2010, 12:20
When do HSV play their opening Euro fixture?

:angel:
Didn't qualify for Europe

rosstheger
27-07-2010, 12:23
I've adopted Hoffenhein :( Well, I was forced too .. haha

Sadly, I doubt they'll do that well.

Cardiff_Bear
27-07-2010, 12:25
Got tickets for Bayern v Wolfsburg. Roll on August 20! :)

Earl of Leven
29-07-2010, 16:34
Mainz in for Milan's Dominic Adiyiah.....clearly Milan's 'youth drive' is going well.

Sami Khedira almost certain to join 'the special one' in Madrid after Fredi Bobic, Stuttgart's general manager, admitted they couldn't let him leave on a Bosman next summer.

Earl of Leven
06-08-2010, 19:41
Stuttgart sign Philipp Degen on loan from Liverpool.....Tomas Mueller signs new contract and will stay with Bayern until 2015.

Opening day fixtures again in case we missed them:
Friday 20th August 2010
Bayern Munich v VfL Wolfsburg

Saturday 21st August 2010
FC Cologne v Kaiserslautern
TSG Hoffenheim v Werder Bremen
SC Freiburg v St Pauli
Hannover 96 v Eintracht Frankfurt
Borussia Monchengladbach v Nurnberg
Hamburg SV v Schalke 04

Sunday 22nd August 2010
Mainz v VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Dortmund v Bayer Leverkusen

Earl of Leven
06-08-2010, 21:19
Latest transfer details...in and out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_football_transfers_summer_2010

Earl of Leven
09-08-2010, 09:40
Bayern Munich won the first piece of silverware of the new German season by beating Schalke to lift the Supercup in Augsburg.

Both coaches fielded their strongest side despite the fixture coming a fortnight before the start of the Bundesliga season, and it took some time for the game to spark into life.

When it did, it was the defending champions who prevailed over last season's runners-up with goals from World Cup stars Thomas Muller and Miroslav Klose earning the double winners victory.

Bayern coach Louis van Gaal took the game seriously despite branding it a disturbance in his side's pre-season preparations. Germany internationals Bastian Schweinsteiger, Philipp Lahm, Klose, Muller and Holger Badstuber were all named in his starting XI, while former Real Madrid star Raul made his competitive debut for Schalke.

Muller, fresh from winning the Golden Boot and best young player award at the World Cup, showed he was more than ready for the new season early on as he took on two defenders before setting up Schweinsteiger, whose shot was saved by Manuel Neuer.

Bayern held onto possession well during the first half and restricted Schalke to only one effort on goal, a header from Raul which flew wide. There were two excellent chances early in the second half as first Bayern and then Schalke went close to breaking the deadlock within the space of 60 seconds.

First Klose broke free but hit his shot against the post before Schalke raced up the other end of the field where Raul's diving header forced a one-handed save from Thomas Kraft.

Van Gaal was forced into an attacking change when Martin Demichelis limped off with 20 minutes remaining. With no defenders on the bench, the Dutch coach brought Jose Ernesto Sosa on and the impromptu attacking gamble paid off.

Five minutes later Bayern were in front when Klose raced clear of the defence and beat Neuer to the ball to set up Muller to score into an open net.

Klose added a second in the 81st minute with a simple tap-in from close range after Ivica Olic weaved into the penalty area and slid the ball into his team-mate's path.

El Guaje
09-08-2010, 09:42
Can Bayern even improve on last season? It could have been one of their best ever.

Earl of Leven
09-08-2010, 09:44
Not sure....the worry is the instability being caused by Van Gaal. The club are 99% certain he will leave in June 2011 and not extend his contract. Robben also out until autumn, maybe as late as October.

They did retain their star players though.....such as Muller, Klose etc.

Blackpool Dave
09-08-2010, 11:22
Booking my flight next week for the hamburg v kaiserlautern game on oct 1st

Thats my flight and hotel booked just waiting on tickets going on sale.

Earl of Leven
09-08-2010, 11:35
Thats my flight and hotel booked just waiting on tickets going on sale.

Enjoy......what an experience it will be.

Beer, terracing, atmosphere etc. You'll be baffled at first....

Kiery
09-08-2010, 11:43
Not sure....the worry is the instability being caused by Van Gaal. The club are 99% certain he will leave in June 2011 and not extend his contract. Robben also out until autumn, maybe as late as October.

They did retain their star players though.....such as Muller, Klose etc.

Is Klose a star player for them?

I only ask as he only scored 3 goals last year?

Blackpool Dave
09-08-2010, 11:43
Has any bear been to hamburgs stadium any info would help.:D

Earl of Leven
09-08-2010, 11:49
Is Klose a star player for them?

I only ask as he only scored 3 goals last year?

He scored yesterday....hard to say really. Robben is out...and there wasn't a centre forward at times last season as they played Olic, Muller and Robben.

Blackpool Dave
09-08-2010, 11:52
Going to this one too!

Give me a pm and let us know where your staying we are just off the reeperbann leaving manchester friday morn back in uk mon.

student_loyal
10-08-2010, 12:01
Just booked up to go to Bremen's bier festival and shall be taking in Werder Bremen v Nurnberg on 30th October too.

student_loyal
10-08-2010, 12:08
Flights only £35 return all in i may add.

Bring on Freimarkt!

Earl of Leven
10-08-2010, 12:10
Just booked up to go to Bremen's bier festival and shall be taking in Werder Bremen v Nurnberg on 30th October too.

Magic.....enjoy.

Ozil for £9m....good business overall.

student_loyal
10-08-2010, 12:12
Magic.....enjoy.

Ozil for £9m....good business overall.

Yeah last year on contract, etc.... Hopefully now Marko Marin can step up to the plate the way Ozil did after losing Diego.

We shall see.

Anyways, even if the football is shit, the women, beer and atmosphere will more than make up for it! :D

Earl of Leven
10-08-2010, 12:14
What about HSV swooping for Diego? Any rumours from your contacts?

What about FF XIs...you still injured?

oranje-viola
10-08-2010, 12:24
Where's the best UK airports to fly to Germany from??

FC Koln are the team I follow over there and Germanwings have their main hub there so I'd imagine a weekend in Cologne is easy??

What about Hamburg, where's best UK departure airport for there??

student_loyal
10-08-2010, 12:30
What about HSV swooping for Diego? Any rumours from your contacts?

What about FF XIs...you still injured?

Havent heard that one, but i'll ask about. Cant see Diego moving back to Germany, however.

As for the 11s, i'm playing for a local team at the weekend now, so only playing 5s/7s with the FF boys.

Earl of Leven
10-08-2010, 12:32
Where's the best UK airports to fly to Germany from??

FC Koln are the team I follow over there and Germanwings have their main hub there so I'd imagine a weekend in Cologne is easy??

What about Hamburg, where's best UK departure airport for there??

Cologne is a nice place...airport a bit out the way though so make sure you get transfers sorted.

Hamburg not so easy to get to/from without transfers....

Bunky_13
10-08-2010, 12:35
Edinburgh to Cologne-Bonn runs til end of October.
For Hamburg you can fly into the international airport with Flybe, BMI and BA (none direct from Scotland though),
It can also be accessed thru Ryanair into Bremen or Lubeck from Edinburgh (Lubeck til end of Oct also)

student_loyal
10-08-2010, 12:40
The tram from Bremen Airport to the Hauptbahnhof is every 7 minutes and takes about 15 minutes.

From there there's a train service to Hamburg which takes about 50 minutes and leaves every hour. Excellent connections.

Earl of Leven
10-08-2010, 13:18
Latest updates:

Diego unhappy in Italy and wants a Bundesliga return...HSV rumoured and now Wolfsburg very strongly rumoured. Fee is 15m euros.

Werder Bremen have publicly warned new signing Marko Aurnutovic about his attitude and behaviour, saying he 'has not integrated and has catching up to do'. He only signed 4 weeks ago for 6m euros.

Bayern are furious that the FFF have summoned Franck Ribery to Paris to testify at the hearing into why the WC farce unfolded as it did. They have so far refused refused to allow him to travel.

Mesut Ozil claims he knows nothing about a 4 year deal he has signed with Barca! The player and his club say it is nonsense.

Bunky_13
12-08-2010, 10:19
HSV sold out their allocation of of tickets for Scum Pauli vs HSV in September in 5 Minutes this morning.

Earl of Leven
13-08-2010, 09:39
Edin Dzeko is demanding a move to Serie A and is threatening some sort of strike action. He specifically wants to move to Juve. Ironically the rumours grow stronger each day that Diego will be moving on opposite direction shortly.

oranje-viola
14-08-2010, 21:57
Good news from the DFB Pokal, everyone's favourite Teutonic side St Pauli have been unceremoniously dumped out by Chemnitzer (4th Division) :D

Other Bundesliga sides to fall by the wayside so far include Hannover, out on pens.

Blackpool Dave
15-08-2010, 01:26
Is there no bears out there how can give mr any useful info about hamburg.?

Earl of Leven
19-08-2010, 09:53
Is there no bears out there how can give mr any useful info about hamburg.?

What do you need to know?

Earl of Leven
19-08-2010, 09:59
Werder Bremen hold a lead going into next week's CL qualifying round.....after a 3-1 at the Wesserstadion. Fritz, Frings and Pizarro sored he goals but an injury time header from Pazzini for 10 man Samp may make the 2nd leg tighter than the Germans had hoped.

Tonight's Europa League qualifiers see 3 German teams in action:

Bayer Leverkusen v Tavriya Simferopol (Ukraine)
Slovan Bratislava (Slovakia) v VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Dortmund v FK Qarabag (Azerbaijan)

Earl of Leven
20-08-2010, 13:34
Results from last night's Europa League qualifiers saw 3 excellent results:

Bayer Leverkusen 3 Tavriya Simferopol (Ukraine) 0 (Kadlec x 2, Ballack)
Slovan Bratislava (Slovakia) 0 VfB Stuttgart 1 (Harnik)
Borussia Dortmund 4 FK Qarabag (Azerbaijan) 0 (Barrios x 2, Kagawa x 2)

Bundesliga gets underway tonight....Bayern v Wolfsburg at Allianz Arena.

Steve McLaren: ''This game will be a real test of where we stand and it couldn't get any better than starting against Bayern,'' he said. We have a very big game ahead of us against the defending champions and Bayern have an excellent squad with several world class players.''

"We respect their team and their coach, who achieved a great deal in his first year in charge, but we are obviously concentrating less on our opponents and more on ourselves.

"This game will show us where we are at and it could not get any better than starting against Bayern.''

Bayern coach Louis van Gaal will be without his compatriot Arjen Robben, who will miss the first few months of the season due to injury, but Franck Ribery is fully fit and ready.

Toni Kroos should make his second debut for the club after returning from a two-year loan spell at Bayer Leverkusen alongside Ribery and Germany's World Cup hero Thomas Muller.

Van Gaal will then have to choose between Miroslav Klose, Ivica Olic and Mario Gomez for a place as the lone striker.

Arne Friedrich and Simon Kjaer are both set to make their debuts at the heart of the Wolfsburg defence.

student_loyal
20-08-2010, 13:41
Should be an excellent match tonight :)

Mad Broon
20-08-2010, 13:47
Will be out, so not gonna get to see the game unless I record it!!

Is the Hamburg - Schalke game on tele tomorrow night?

Looking forward to the Bundesliga getting started!!

Anyone know what pot Schalke should be in for the CL draw?

Earl of Leven
20-08-2010, 13:48
New boys...I will gloss over St Pauli.

So we welcome back Kaiserslautern after a 4 year absence from the Bundesliga. A big team with a rich history they will be a welcoem addition and kick off their campaign against Cologne this weekend.

The club reached the first National Final (held between winners of the various regional leagues who met in knock out ties to find the two finalists) but lost 2-1 to Nuremberg in 1948. They won the National Final in 1951 and 1953, and lost the finals of 1954 and 1955. They supplied 5 of the team that won the 1954 World Cup in Berne.

The success then dried up and the new professional Bundesliga era left them as also rans....losing Cup finalists in 1972, 1976, and 1981, before finally winning in the Cup in 1990 was as good as it got. The cup win seemed to ushee in a new era as they followed up the next season with their first Bundesliga championship. But....

...despite a second German Cup in 1996, the team was relegated to 2.Bundesliga with a 16th place finish just one week before the Cup Final. The Red Devils came storming back in 1998 with an accomplishment unique in Bundesliga history by winning re-promotion to the first division from the 2.Bundesliga and immediately going on to win the national championship under famous coach Otto Rehhagel.

The club found itself in serious trouble soon after. The construction of a new stadium, incompetent management and financial misdeeds resulted in a heavy debt load and the fielding of incapable sides built out of anonymous mercenary players. In 2002, Kaiserslautern found itself on the brink of bankruptcy and at the centre of controversy being played out publicly. The club's management – Jürgen Friedrich, Robert Wieschemann and Gerhard Herzog – were forced out. A new team president, Rene C. Jäggi, sold the debt-ridden Fritz-Walter-Stadion to an entity owned by the Land Rheinland-Pfalz and the city of Kaiserslautern, thus saving the club from financial disaster, while a new coach, Erik Gerets, led a run after the winter break that moved the footballers out of last place and saved them from relegation.

The club started the 2003–04 season under the burden of a three-point penalty imposed by the German Football Association (Deutscher Fußball-Bund) for its financial misdeeds. After a faltering start to the season, Gerets was fired and replaced by Kurt Jara. Jara was unpopular with the FCK faithful for his defensive soccer philosophy, but with him at the helm, the club had a safe season. However, Jara quit the position before the season ended, citing irreconcilable differences with club management.

In 2005, Michael Henke, who served as long-time assistant to Germany's most successful coach Ottmar Hitzfeld, became coach. FCK was initially successful, but then suffered a string of reverses and crashed to the bottom of the table. Henke was fired, and FCK alumnus Wolfgang Wolf took up the trainer's role. Wolf brought in many young, home-grown players, but despite winning over fans and experts alike, the 2005–06 season ended in failure as FCK was once again relegated to the 2nd Bundesliga after a nine-year stay at the top flight. They finished the 2006/2007 season in sixth place in the 2. Bundesliga, seven points out of the promotion places.

On 20 May 2007, the club announced the Norwegian manager Kjetil Rekdal, formerly with Belgian side Lierse, as their new head coach. Rekdal took over the reigns on 1 July. Due to very bad results (the club lying in 16th place in the standings with only three wins in 19 games), Rekdal was sacked and replaced by Milan Šašić in February 2008.

They saved themselves from relegation to the new 3. Liga on the final day of 2007–2008 with a win over already promoted 1. FC Köln. On 25 April 2010 the club secured promotion and thus will play in the Fußball-Bundesliga in the 2010–11 season for the first time in four years.

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Stadium

http://www.fck.de/fileadmin/DAM/Galerien/Portal_Stadion/Stadioneindruecke/westkurve_ksc_0910.jpg

Fans

Earl of Leven
20-08-2010, 13:51
Will be out, so not gonna get to see the game unless I record it!!

Is the Hamburg - Schalke game on tele tomorrow night?

Looking forward to the Bundesliga getting started!!

Anyone know what pot Schalke should be in for the CL draw?

HSV v Schalke is 5.30pm tomorrow on ESPN.

Mad Broon
20-08-2010, 13:52
Superb! Thought it might be!! :)

Buddiebearette
20-08-2010, 13:56
great stuff...love the Bundesliga...we used to live in Germany....
its an exciting as a lot of clubs compete in the upper half of their league and they have great attendance also

Earl of Leven
20-08-2010, 13:57
great stuff...love the Bundesliga...we used to live in Germany....
its an exciting as a lot of clubs compete in the upper half of their league and they have great attendance also

Kaiserslautern are newly promoted and expect 50,000 for their first home game.....makes you think eh?

Buddiebearette
20-08-2010, 14:27
Kaiserslautern are newly promoted and expect 50,000 for their first home game.....makes you think eh?

wow that does!

Mad Broon
20-08-2010, 14:31
Can't believe Kaisersalutern have been out of the Bundesliga so long! :o

Hope Hertha don't take so long to come back!

Scum as they are, and as much as i'll hope to see them marooned at the bottom all season, it will be interesting to see the, er, 'lively' lot that are St. Pauli and see what that does to the atmosphere at games involving them!

Earl of Leven
20-08-2010, 22:41
HSV game might be tomorrow actually...I'd check!!

Bayern beat Wolfsburg 2-1 in the Bundesliga's opening match.....Bayern opened score with a goal from young Thomas Muller. Wolfsburg equalised through Edin Dzeko but Bayern won the game after some shocking defending left Schweinsteiger free at back post to score the winner in injury time.

El Guaje
21-08-2010, 08:09
Cracking game last night, Bayern are a shower of jammy bastards

rosstheger
21-08-2010, 15:18
Hoffenheim are tearing Bremen a new one, 3-1. Bremen's central defence has been shocking so far.

seniorbillyboy
21-08-2010, 15:41
Just booked up to go to Bremen's bier festival and shall be taking in Werder Bremen v Nurnberg on 30th October too.

Mate you are a star. We were planning a trip to Germany for that weekend to take in a game. The plan was Munich, but with a beer festival and the becks brewery in Bremen we will switch to that.

Would you mind sharing some of you travel info?

Earl of Leven
22-08-2010, 19:28
Bayern Munich 2 - 1 VfL Wolfsburg
FC Cologne 1 - 3 Kaiserslautern
TSG Hoffenheim 4 - 1 Werder Bremen
SC Freiburg 1 - 3 St Pauli
Hannover 96 2 - 1 Eintracht Frankfurt
Borussia Monchengladbach 1 - 1 Nurnberg
Hamburg SV 2 - 1 Schalke 04
Mainz 2 - 0 VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Dortmund 0 - 2 Bayer Leverkusen

Superb returns to Bundesliga for St Pauli and Kaiserslautern....terrible performances from much fancied Werder Bremen and Borussia Dortmund, while Schalke did not convince away to HSV. A useful win for Hannover after last season's collapse after the tragic suicide of Robert Enke.

It's hard to draw any conclusion other than Bayern remain jammy bastards.....Borussia may struggle to improve in last season....Schalke may remain nearly men and last season's superb football may not have been a one-off for Leverkusen.

Earl of Leven
22-08-2010, 19:31
Oh and 'Big Duncan' Rasmussen scored for Mainz......I find it strange he was loaned out as he appeared far better than some of the dross Celtic kept.

rosstheger
22-08-2010, 19:35
Thomas Schaaf's mob took a "Schaafting" yesterday :D

Earl of Leven
22-08-2010, 19:36
student_loyal still crying I'd imagine......4 goals in 20 minutes eh?

El Guaje
22-08-2010, 19:37
Good start for my adopted team Leverkusen.

Earl of Leven
23-08-2010, 10:12
Leverkusen had a very young team but now have Ballack in there...they are very talented and attack minded.....good luck to them as they tend to be involved in exciting games.

Kiery
23-08-2010, 11:08
Cracking game last night, Bayern are a shower of jammy bastards

It was a great game.

I like the look of Wolsburg under McLaren and I think they will do very well under him.

Not that I am biased after adopting them as my German team this year:D

KopGer
23-08-2010, 11:36
Muller's goal was breathtaking; timing of the run into a central area, touch to control the ball and take the man out of the game and then an unerring volley into the corner.

That moment apart it was hardly vintage Munich, but it bore the mark of champions in the way they just kept plugging away until they forced home a winner.

They won't be stopped this season I don't think.

Steve's tantrum at full-time was hilarious.

53easy
23-08-2010, 11:40
Muller's goal was breathtaking; timing of the run into a central area, touch to control the ball and take the man out of the game and then an unerring volley into the corner.

That moment apart it was hardly vintage Munich, but it bore the mark of champions in the way they just kept plugging away until they forced home a winner.

They won't be stopped this season I don't think.

Steve's tantrum at full-time was hilarious.

The touch before the volley was sublime.

Muller for me sometimes looks useless in games for long spells than suddenly makes an impact with a great bit of skill or finish.

KopGer
23-08-2010, 11:43
The touch before the volley was sublime.

Muller for me sometimes looks useless in games for long spells than suddenly makes an impact with a great bit of skill or finish.

He's very much like Andreas Moller, just seems to arrive from midfield at precisely the right moment to affect the game.

Buddiebearette
23-08-2010, 11:44
Cracking game last night, Bayern are a shower of jammy bastards

yeah typical of them...

Kiery
23-08-2010, 11:47
Muller's goal was breathtaking; timing of the run into a central area, touch to control the ball and take the man out of the game and then an unerring volley into the corner.

That moment apart it was hardly vintage Munich, but it bore the mark of champions in the way they just kept plugging away until they forced home a winner.

They won't be stopped this season I don't think.

Steve's tantrum at full-time was hilarious.

You really are gay for him mate:p

fair shout though when you said he would be a great player about 12/18 months ago.

KopGer
23-08-2010, 11:47
yeah typical of them...

I just don't get the Bayern hatred. If it's Kahn's fault then it's ridiculous.

Look at the players they produce, that's how a football team should operate.

Buy talent to augment your own assets, not instead of your own assets.

KopGer
23-08-2010, 11:48
You really are gay for him mate:p

fair shout though when you said he would be a great player about 12/18 months ago.

Just a wee bit :o

53easy
23-08-2010, 12:24
Gomez at Bayern is a cow!

Earl of Leven
23-08-2010, 13:30
I just don't get the Bayern hatred. If it's Kahn's fault then it's ridiculous.

Look at the players they produce, that's how a football team should operate.

Buy talent to augment your own assets, not instead of your own assets.

It is mostly due to politics.

Bayern were a small, well run, anti-fascist team (Nazis did not like them for their Jewish links and obvious disdain for the Nazis).....a decent working class team....until 70s when long haired radicals flocked around the Moenchengladbach banner and set up Bayern as their evil nemesis. In fact BAyern won more points, trophies and scored more goals..and had more actual socialist/communist players. By late 80s Bayern decided to play up and revel in their reputation and...kerching! The wealthiest, most successful but hated club in Germany.

KopGer
23-08-2010, 13:37
It is mostly due to politics.

Bayern were a small, well run, anti-fascist team (Nazis did not like them for their Jewish links and obvious disdain for the Nazis).....a decent working class team....until 70s when long haired radicals flocked around the Moenchengladbach banner and set up Bayern as their evil nemesis. In fact BAyern won more points, trophies and scored more goals..and had more actual socialist/communist players. By late 80s Bayern decided to play up and revel in their reputation and...kerching! The wealthiest, most successful but hated club in Germany.

Politics have no place in football :).

rosstheger
23-08-2010, 13:40
Muller's goal was breathtaking; timing of the run into a central area, touch to control the ball and take the man out of the game and then an unerring volley into the corner.

That moment apart it was hardly vintage Munich, but it bore the mark of champions in the way they just kept plugging away until they forced home a winner.

They won't be stopped this season I don't think.

Steve's tantrum at full-time was hilarious.

I think Leverkusen will give them a good run this season.

I agree, Muller is an excellent player and his touch and control for the goal was absolutely magnificent.

Earl of Leven
24-08-2010, 09:35
The Kaiser says what he thinks as usual, re 'on strike' defender Demichelis:

''He has very often contributed to things not going too well for us in the past,'' said Beckenbauer on Sky television. ''My word, there have been plenty of errors from him in recent years.

''He is an excellent player, but he just wants to play in the centre of the defence because then he does not have to do much running.''

Demichelis is linked to a move to La Liga with Atletico Madrid current front runners.

Vastly over-priced Kris Boyd-alike Mario Gomez insists he will stay in Munich to fight for his place. The £28m signing is currently 4th choice striker but insists hard work in training will bring its rewards.

Kiery
24-08-2010, 10:05
Vastly over-priced Kris Boyd-alike Mario Gomez insists he will stay in Munich to fight for his place. The £28m signing is currently 4th choice striker but insists hard work in training will bring its rewards.

I have never seen Gomez play well, is he actually a good player?

Why did Bayern pay £28m for him?

Earl of Leven
24-08-2010, 10:06
I have never seen Gomez play well, is he actually a good player?

Why did Bayern pay £28m for him?

25 goals for VfB.....where he had a great season. He looked strong and sharp. Just hasn't happened in Munich. He has not benefitted from squad rotation and has looked a bit desperate when he's got on.

Earl of Leven
25-08-2010, 14:03
Very good result for Werder Bremen when all seemed lost......3-0 down before a 93rd minute strike from Markus Rosenberg deflated the Italians and in extra time Bremen dominated and sealed a CL place with a fine strike from Claudio Pizarro.

El Guaje
25-08-2010, 14:05
I just don't get the Bayern hatred. If it's Kahn's fault then it's ridiculous.

Look at the players they produce, that's how a football team should operate.

Buy talent to augment your own assets, not instead of your own assets.

I wouldn't say I hate them. I totally respect their standing in the game, they are a super club imo, but they are and always have been a shower of jammy bastards. Like Man Utd.

KopGer
25-08-2010, 14:08
25 goals for VfB.....where he had a great season. He looked strong and sharp. Just hasn't happened in Munich. He has not benefitted from squad rotation and has looked a bit desperate when he's got on.

It's the type of transfer quite often doomed to failure. At VFB he was the star attraction and as such the entire attack was built around him and his strenghts. They played a certain way to get the best from their talisman.

Bayern were never going to do that so the onus was on the player to adapt to his environs, and he's failed to do so miserably.

Earl of Leven
26-08-2010, 10:47
27th AugustKaiserslautern v Bayern Munich

28th August
Schalke 04 v Hannover 96
Nurnberg v SC Freiburg
Werder Bremen v FC Cologne
VfL Wolfsburg v Mainz
Eintracht Frankfurt v Hamburg SV
St Pauli v TSG Hoffenheim

29th August
Bayer Leverkusen v Borussia Monchengladbach
VfB Stuttgart v Borussia Dortmund

Weekend's fixtures......a superb atmosphere awaits for Kaiserlautern's first home Bundesliga match in 3 years and against Bayern of all teams....50,000 will tear the roof off if 1. FK can win the match. Other big game is probably Sunday's clash in Stuttgart...Borussia started season badly and another defeat will see Jurgen Clopp under pressure.

Blackpool Dave
26-08-2010, 11:42
Got my flights and hotel sorted for hamburg v kaiser game app for tickets next week keep you posted.

Earl of Leven
26-08-2010, 11:45
Got my flights and hotel sorted for hamburg v kaiser game app for tickets next week keep you posted.

A review would be wonderful...thanks.

Blackpool Dave
26-08-2010, 11:58
No problem im also taking my camera if its ok with admin ill stick some pics up.

deutschlandbear
26-08-2010, 12:27
off to the frankfurt v hamburg game this weekend

home side arent the best to watch sometimes but hopefully an attacking hamburg should open the game up

Earl of Leven
27-08-2010, 12:54
All three German clubs wrapped up Europa League qualification and have been drawn in the following groups:

Group H - Stuttgart, Getafe, OB, Young Boys
Group B - Leverkusen, Atletico Madrid, Rosenberg, Aris Salonika
Group J - Dortmund, Seville, PSG, Karpaty

Tough draw for Dortmund and to an extend Leverkusen.....slightly simpler group for Stuttgart.

Bonkle Bear
27-08-2010, 12:57
Heading over to Hamburg on the 24th and was considering taking in the St Pauli v Dortmund game on th 25th. Don't want to sit in with the St Pauli fans for obvious reasons. How easy would it be to get tickets for the Dortmund end (the lesser of two evils) ?

Earl of Leven
27-08-2010, 12:59
What seems to be the case is that most Bundesliga grounds have away section and then a neutral section close to that where fans mix....watch when a team scores; there are fans near away end cheering. Maybe ask St Pauli for away tickets or the section next to the Dortmund fans?

Bonkle Bear
27-08-2010, 13:05
Might give that a try actually. Going on a stag do so there might be quite a few of us that end up going and I really fancy giving the Bundesliga experience a try when I'm there.

uddingstonbluenose
28-08-2010, 21:00
Will also be over in Hamburg between 1st-4th October. Looking to go to the HSV - Kaiserslautern game, should it be any problem getting tickets? Don't speak a word of German, so kind of struggling looking at online websites, seems to be not up for sale yet though.

Couple of other questions - how late and often does the S-Bahn run to/from the airport to Altona or HauptBahnHof?

Naive question maybe, but, being the beginning of October is there much Oktoberfest stuff going on in Hamburg, or is it purely a Bavarian thing?

OnlyOneAmoruso
28-08-2010, 21:10
Wolfsburg have signed Diego.

Earl of Leven
28-08-2010, 21:44
Wolfsburg have signed Diego.

Worst kept secret of the summer....never settled in Italy.

El Guaje
28-08-2010, 21:45
Would have liked to have seen Diego go to Man Utd or someone down south

Mad Broon
29-08-2010, 15:56
Anyone watching the Leverkusen game on ESPN now?! 7 goals with half an hour to go!

Turned it over after the Birmingham game and saw 3 goals already for myself after missing the first 4!

bomba picante
29-08-2010, 16:04
Now 3-6! Like a basketball match.

Aldo_RFC_1872
29-08-2010, 16:04
6-3 to Gladbach now!!!!

Hamburg
29-08-2010, 16:09
FT Gladbach won 6-3 in Leverkusen:eek:

Kilwinnin Bluenose
29-08-2010, 16:11
Fecking picture keeps going. Great game with some awful defending!:D

CertifiedWeissfanboy
29-08-2010, 16:32
I have never seen Gomez play well, is he actually a good player?

Why did Bayern pay £28m for him?

Rafa Honigstein once said he can look like both the best striker in the world and the worst striker in the world over the course of 90 minutes. He's one of those players.

HARTHILL_GER
29-08-2010, 17:10
Wolfsburg burst my coupon yday!

ForzaRangers
29-08-2010, 17:17
3-0 to Dortmund after 38 minutes.

Stuttgart are woeful.

Daddy_Bear07
29-08-2010, 17:39
Only started watching German football quite recently, but does anyone else think that it could become the top league in Europe again within a year or two?

They are now ranked above Serie A and i can see them going up above La Liga and the Premiership soon. Lots of big teams with large supports and great stadiums and there is always a few different teams in the mix to win it!

bayernbear
29-08-2010, 17:40
3-0 to Dortmund after 38 minutes.

Stuttgart are woeful.

Not sure why they have became so poor. They've been rebuilding their stadium so maybe that's stopped them investing as much in the playing staff.

bayernbear
29-08-2010, 17:45
Only started watching German football quite recently, but does anyone else think that it could become the top league in Europe again within a year or two?

They are now ranked above Serie A and i can see them going up above La Liga and the Premiership soon. Lots of big teams with large supports and great stadiums and there is always a few different teams in the mix to win it!

It's quite possible. If the debts of clubs in other leagues catch up with them German teams have the infrastructure to get ahead and stay ahead. I think the quality of the league has much more depth also. I can watch any German game as a neutral and enjoy it but there is only certain English or Spanish games that'll grab my attention.

rosstheger
29-08-2010, 18:03
I tipped Dortmund to do well under Klopp this term. This is looking like a fine overall performance.

I'm quite impressed with the wee Jap Dortmund have signed.

rosstheger
29-08-2010, 18:03
Cacau with the goal.

3-1.

Earl of Leven
30-08-2010, 10:48
Kaiserslautern 2 - 0 Bayern Munich
Schalke 04 1 - 2 Hannover 96
Nurnberg 1 - 2 SC Freiburg
Werder Bremen 4 - 2 FC Cologne
VfL Wolfsburg 3 - 4 Mainz
Eintracht Frankfurt 1 - 3 Hamburg SV
St Pauli 0 - 1 TSG Hoffenheim
Bayer Leverkusen 3 - 6 Borussia Monchengladbach
VfB Stuttgart 1 - 3 Borussia Dortmund

Strange start to the season....the teams we had expected to be in the European places have had mixed starts to the season. HSV have 6 points and yet Schalke, Stuttgart and Wolfsburg have none yet. Also on full points newly promoted Kaiserlautern, lowly Mainz and last season's runaway car crash Hannover.

Bayern look uninspired so far but surely will find form soon.

ESPN is serving us up goals, technical football, huge crowds and fantastic atmospheres....what more could you want?

Earl of Leven
30-08-2010, 10:49
Complete table so far:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=GER.1&cc=5739

Loves To Spooge
30-08-2010, 10:50
heard robbens out till xmas!

how the feck did that happen, real shame.

student_loyal
30-08-2010, 11:01
Silvestre to Bremen on a free.... really needed defensive cover!

Earl of Leven
30-08-2010, 11:53
Huntelaar possibly joining Schalke this week....12m euros.

TheBattleFever
30-08-2010, 19:30
I have never seen Gomez play well, is he actually a good player?

Why did Bayern pay £28m for him?

Rumours are that he is going to Liverpool

Hamburg
30-08-2010, 19:50
Silvestre has just joined Werder Bremen.

Ruud van Nislelrooy has been nominated by Bert van Marwijk for the Dutch national team.

It looks like Mladen Petric will be sold.

Mickael Tavares has been loaned out to Middlesboro.

Hamburg
30-08-2010, 20:05
One which I forgot:

Carlos Eduardo has left Hoffenheim for Ruben Kasan in Russia for €20 million.

His old club Porto Allegre will pick up €3 million, so Hoffenheim get €17 million for a player whom they bought while still in the 2nd division (2007) for €7.5 Million.

A nice wee earner for Ralf Ragnick the manager.

britain
31-08-2010, 06:33
Markus Babbel is now head coach at Hertha Berlin in Div 2 of Bundesliga. His first head coach appointment after having been assistant at Stuttgart I believe. Apologies if already posted.

gordybear
31-08-2010, 06:52
Huntelaar has now signed for Schalke - £10.5million

stefanovitch
31-08-2010, 08:17
Huntelaar has now signed for Schalke - £10.5million

He really needs to make a go of this move. He's earned an almost gypsy status in recent years and has achieved very little.

gordybear
31-08-2010, 09:30
Schalke have also agreed a fee with A. Madrid for Jurado apparantly (£10.6mill)

Earl of Leven
31-08-2010, 09:33
Markus Babbel is now head coach at Hertha Berlin in Div 2 of Bundesliga. His first head coach appointment after having been assistant at Stuttgart I believe. Apologies if already posted.

He was actually Stuttgart coach, not assistant, when they played us..and the humping at Ibrox was one of his last games in charge in fact.

Kiery
31-08-2010, 10:05
Schalke have also agreed a fee with A. Madrid for Jurado apparantly (£10.6mill)

Strange one that if it happens?

He is a good player but Atletico are really short up top IMO, so they should be looking to bring someone in.

Earl of Leven
31-08-2010, 10:16
Did Jurado play in Super Cup?

WokinghamBear
31-08-2010, 10:31
Only started watching German football quite recently, but does anyone else think that it could become the top league in Europe again within a year or two?

They are now ranked above Serie A and i can see them going up above La Liga and the Premiership soon. Lots of big teams with large supports and great stadiums and there is always a few different teams in the mix to win it!


I've always enjoyed watching German football. Back in the early days of Sky, you could get the German channels and two highlights of this were latenight porn :ninja: and regular coverage of the Bundesliga.

IMO it's always been a relatively physical and quick league but with a little more technical and tactical merit than the English Premier.
Like Daddy_Bear says, another quality is that it's competitive - Bayern tend to come out on top but there's a mix of challengers and Bayern rarely canter the league.

My away weekend for football this year is Milan v Juve but I think Germany will be on the cards next season.

Earl of Leven
31-08-2010, 10:33
Bundesliga has a tempo we can recognise, but with technique. Lots of goals...terracing...beer and sausage....£10 tickets....full stadiums.....and genuinely no idea pre-season who will win it, qualify for CL or be relegated.

Wonderful stuff.

Hamburg
31-08-2010, 13:52
Felix Magath, Schalke's Manager has announced the capture of Nicolas Plestan (29, 1,84 Meter) from OSC Lille.

Felix is flashing the cash.

Hamburg
31-08-2010, 13:55
Mauro Camoranesi has signed on with Stuttgart.

The club is also expected to sign Guinean star Mamadou Bah from Racing Strassbourg.

Hoffenheim have bought Gylfi Sigurdsson from Reading for €5.2 million.

KopGer
31-08-2010, 13:57
Leverkusen are a shambles on weekend's evidence.

Still what an afternoon's entertainment their game with Moenchengladbach was.

KopGer
31-08-2010, 13:58
Mauro Camoranesi has signed on with Stuttgart.

The club is also expected to sign Guinean star Mamadou Bah from Racing Strassbourg.

Blackpool want the latter man too.

Earl of Leven
31-08-2010, 14:17
Stuttgart 1,000,000 times bigger than Blackpool. come on mamadou....you know it makes sense.

Hamburg
31-08-2010, 14:36
HSV's David Rozenahl has gone to OSC Lille to take the place of Nicolas Plestan who has signed for Schalke 04.

NDiayes Shinpads
31-08-2010, 16:07
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hsv.de%2Fsaison%2Fmeldungen-saison%2Fbundesliga%2Faugust-10%2Freinhardt-petric-ist-extrem-wichtig-fuer-uns%2F&sl=de&tl=en

Hamburg
31-08-2010, 17:45
Markus Rosenberg has gone on loan from Werder Bremen to Racing Santanger for a fee of €750,000.

Earl of Leven
01-09-2010, 15:21
Some noteable bits of business:


Markus Rosenberg extends his contract at Bremen but goes on loan to Racing Santander
Misimovic leaves Wolfsburg for Galatasaray for around £4.5m
Sigurdsson joins Hoffenheim from Reading
Huntelaar to Schalke from Milan
Camoranesi joins Stuttgart from Juve
Silvestre joined werder Bremen on a free transfer from Arsenal
Run DMB joins Hannover from RFC

Kiery
01-09-2010, 15:25
Some noteable bits of business:


Markus Rosenberg extends his contract at Bremen but goes on loan to Racing Santander
Misimovic leaves Wolfsburg for Galatasaray for around £4.5m
Sigurdsson joins Hoffenheim from Reading
Huntelaar to Schalke from Milan
Camoranesi joins Stuttgart from Juve
Silvestre joined werder Bremen on a free transfer from Arsenal
Run DMB joins Hannover from RFC


I have not seen a lot of him, but the boy Misimovic looks like a good player.

Do you think Macca will regret letting him go?

He changed the game for Wolfsburg when he came on against Bayern IMO.

Earl of Leven
01-09-2010, 15:27
I think they reckon Diego will take his role....and gambled that they'd take £4.5m rather have him as understudy. I assume they have a kid to be Diego's understudy now...we'll see as season shapes up.

Turkish league has drawn in some talent this summer.

Earl of Leven
06-09-2010, 15:17
Germany won a tricky tie in Brussels 1-0 on Friday thanks to Miroslav Klose and tomorrow they face Azerbaijan at home...in Munich's Allianz Arena. Should be 3 more points but you never know.

Germany has qualified for every World Cup it has entered (didn't try in 1930 due to economic situation) and every EC they've entered except 1968 when they lost out to Yugoslavia.

So the chances are....

Divemaster
06-09-2010, 15:19
As an aside, apparently HSV tried to sell Petric to Stuttgart on deadline, which in turn would have given them the money to rebuy van der Vaart. They never managed it and hence van der Vaart went to Spurs.

Earl of Leven
06-09-2010, 15:23
HSV should be okay.....decent squad now.

It is is tough league to call though.

Earl of Leven
06-09-2010, 15:27
Friday 10th September
Hoffenheim v Schalke 04

Saturday 11th September
SC Freiburg v VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Monchengladbach v Eintracht Frankfurt
Hannover 96 v Bayer Leverkusen
Borussia Dortmund v VfL Wolfsburg
Hamburg SV v Nurnberg
Bayern Munich v Werder Bremen

Sunday 12th September
Mainz v Kaiserslautern
FC Cologne v St Pauli

Tough game for Schalke who need points and form....B Munich v Bremen looks like a juicy tie.

CertifiedWeissfanboy
06-09-2010, 15:41
I read an article about Schalke the other day. All is not well there. Apparently Magath fired one of the fan liaison officers who had been at the club for 22 years, much to the apoplexy of the Schalke fans. They see him as a dictatorial figure in what has always been a club that puts fan opinion first and foremost.

There were sizeable protests against him at the last match.

Earl of Leven
06-09-2010, 15:49
Magath is like an upmarket Smith in some ways but without the avancular charms.

He does one thing....wins trophies, and he doesn't really care about style, tactics or beauty. He also treads on toes a lot. His excuse is that he is succesful....

Schalke 04 fans should be a tad more grateful....they are very much also rans and at times 'chokers' and if he wins them silverware they should be pleased.

KopGer
06-09-2010, 15:55
Germany won a tricky tie in Brussels 1-0 on Friday thanks to Miroslav Klose and tomorrow they face Azerbaijan at home...in Munich's Allianz Arena. Should be 3 more points but you never know.

Germany has qualified for every World Cup it has entered (didn't try in 1930 due to economic situation) and every EC they've entered except 1968 when they lost out to Yugoslavia.

So the chances are....

Somebody else watched CNN sports roundup this weekend. :D

53easy
06-09-2010, 15:56
Bayern have been handed a tough opening few games

britain
07-09-2010, 05:38
Think there's a German game on 'ESPNs free weekend' this comng weekend.

iaatpies
07-09-2010, 07:16
Whats the deal with Marcus Berg at Hamburg? Does he ever get games or will he need to move to secure first team football?

Berg and Toivanen were superb at under 21 level, easily the best partnership outside of the German team who won 4-0 in the final (that happens when you have Ozil, Muller etc). I know Toivanen is at PSV and I read that they turned down a significant (£7mil+) enquiry for him. Berg was more of an out and out striker with Toivanen playing off him.

It would be a shame if a really promising young striker was allowed to stagnate.

Kiery
07-09-2010, 10:20
Whats the deal with Marcus Berg at Hamburg? Does he ever get games or will he need to move to secure first team football?

Berg and Toivanen were superb at under 21 level, easily the best partnership outside of the German team who won 4-0 in the final (that happens when you have Ozil, Muller etc). I know Toivanen is at PSV and I read that they turned down a significant (£7mil+) enquiry for him. Berg was more of an out and out striker with Toivanen playing off him.

It would be a shame if a really promising young striker was allowed to stagnate.

He went on loan to PSV mate.

He has scored two goals so far with Toivanen having scored 5 I think

Earl of Leven
07-09-2010, 10:24
Yeah, PSV......on loan.

Berg did well in Europa league but was felt to need too many chances to score in tighter Bundesliga matches. They want him to gain experience etc.

Sweden have high hopes for Toivanen and Berg in the coming years....

silkster
07-09-2010, 11:52
Magath is like an upmarket Smith in some ways but without the avancular charms.

He does one thing....wins trophies, and he doesn't really care about style, tactics or beauty. He also treads on toes a lot. His excuse is that he is succesful....

Schalke 04 fans should be a tad more grateful....they are very much also rans and at times 'chokers' and if he wins them silverware they should be pleased.


How did you arrive at the conclusion that one of the most successful coaches in the modern game doesn't care about tactics?

Earl of Leven
07-09-2010, 11:59
Wrong choice of words perhaps: I am referring to the fact that Schalke fans seem upset that it's not always pretty; they have their own views on their side. I think they should win lots first and then perhaps turn to how their side sets out its stall.

He is if anything too tactical...but he does tend to be successful.

Dunantblue
07-09-2010, 12:05
What has happened to the moustache as integral part of German football?

The Bundesliga used to sport the highest tache per head of footballer ratio in Europe. Some of the facial follicle on display would make grown men look on and weep at its magnificence. Yet today? Nada.

What has happened Earl, and how closely linked is the return of the Voller style tache to the Germans winning a pot again?

silkster
07-09-2010, 12:06
Wrong choice of words perhaps: I am referring to the fact that Schalke fans seem upset that it's not always pretty; they have their own views on their side. I think they should win lots first and then perhaps turn to how their side sets out its stall.

He is if anything too tactical...but he does tend to be successful.

When it comes to delusional muppets that have a ridiculously out of proportion opinion of where their club should be and it's standing in world football Schalke make the bheggars and the barcodes appear to be the most humble of football fans.

Magath nearly managed to pull off a miracle last year. They should be thankful of that.

Earl of Leven
07-09-2010, 12:15
Also brought in metzelder, raul and huntelaar....and only 2 games gone....seems a tad hysterical.

silkster
07-09-2010, 12:24
He'll take them into the Champs League again and consolidate their standing there.

Bad move getting rid of Westermann, can only imagine it was the player's choice. I seen Westermann coming through for a couple of seasons at Bielefeld and he always looked a class act.
And what's Armin Veh doing buying a player that can actually defend? How he managed to get another gig after what he done to Magath's Wolfsburg is beyond me.

Earl of Leven
07-09-2010, 12:56
Although Shteve hasn't managed a point for them either with a tricky trip to Dortmund coming up.

My own theory is that too many people within club saw it as a miracle..a plucky, one-time effort....a pinnacle. They unwittingly accepted it would be downhill from there....

Weird one for me is HSV....a great squad...solid buiklding over several years....yet not quite there...just not quite. Hard to see why as they've spent well, invested in youth, have decent tactics and an attacking philosophy and yet it is near and not yet not near enough.

silkster
07-09-2010, 13:45
Although Shteve hasn't managed a point for them either with a tricky trip to Dortmund coming up.

My own theory is that too many people within club saw it as a miracle..a plucky, one-time effort....a pinnacle. They unwittingly accepted it would be downhill from there....

Weird one for me is HSV....a great squad...solid buiklding over several years....yet not quite there...just not quite. Hard to see why as they've spent well, invested in youth, have decent tactics and an attacking philosophy and yet it is near and not yet not near enough.

That’s another arbitrary statement. How can you claim that HSV have decent tactics? Their current manager is a complete and utter aberration with no organisational ability. He'll lead them into the abyss. For proof see what he done last year with a far superior team.

Shteve has taken a gamble by binning Misimovic. He knows more about football than I do, but I'd have had in my team. He's not the same player as Diego for me. He could've accomodated them both, but it looks like he's going to go for his usual ultra cautious approach. Misimovic is far too good for Gala, at least for a Gala team not playing Champs League.

Earl of Leven
07-09-2010, 13:50
Turkish teams spunking money like it is going out of fashion this summer....

Re arbitrary statement. This is FF. :)

Okay the new manager is a plum....but I meant that over last few years you could argue they've built well, avoided debts, brought through young players etc and yet have not won anything. Bridesmaid and not the bride.

Earl of Leven
09-09-2010, 13:13
Friday 10th September
Hoffenheim v Schalke 04

Saturday 11th September
SC Freiburg v VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Monchengladbach v Eintracht Frankfurt
Hannover 96 v Bayer Leverkusen
Borussia Dortmund v VfL Wolfsburg
Hamburg SV v Nurnberg
Bayern Munich v Werder Bremen

Sunday 12th September
Mainz v Kaiserslautern
FC Cologne v St Pauli

For ESPN viewers:

Friday's night game is live....7.30pm
Saturday at 9.45pm is Bayern v Werder Bremen
Sunday is 5.15pm for Cologne v St Pauli

Bonkle Bear
09-09-2010, 13:18
Are Schalke genuine contenders this year ? The signing of Huntellar might well prove to be one of the best buys in Europe this year if he gets a good run in the team.

Earl of Leven
09-09-2010, 13:22
Are Schalke genuine contenders this year ? The signing of Huntellar might well prove to be one of the best buys in Europe this year if he gets a good run in the team.

Hard to tell....decades of failure, often unbelievable failure.....has scarred the club. But the manager tends to win things and is not sentimental. They also have some very good players. Tomorrow will be crucial....a third loss and there will be real problems in the camp.

Blackpool Dave
09-09-2010, 14:10
Stıll waıtıng on tıckets comııng for the hamburg v kaıser game should get them shortly.We are ın the corner standıng area my mate purchased them on lıne for 13euros lookıng forward to doıng the bouncy german style.

Earl of Leven
11-09-2010, 15:04
Schalke lose again.....2-0 away to Hoffenheim. Not great at all after a summer spending spree. 0 points from 3 games.

CertifiedWeissfanboy
11-09-2010, 16:02
They were woeful last night. I can't believe Hoffenheim paid £5M for that guy from Reading. I gather he done well there, but prior to that he was on loan at Shrewsbury and was a total joke figure to their fans.

Earl of Leven
11-09-2010, 16:19
The Icelandic lad? Odd move....as was Werder Bremen moving for a Cliftonville player.

CertifiedWeissfanboy
11-09-2010, 16:26
The Icelandic lad? Odd move....as was Werder Bremen moving for a Cliftonville player.

Yep. Mind you, Dunant thinks he's a star so he must have something! It was just one of those weird, weird ones. As i say, he was a joke at Shrewsbury.

Earl of Leven
13-09-2010, 10:04
TSG Hoffenheim 2 - 0 Schalke 04
SC Freiburg 2 - 1 VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Monchengladbach 0 - 4 Eintracht Frankfurt
Hannover 96 2 - 2 Bayer Leverkusen
Borussia Dortmund 2 - 0 VfL Wolfsburg
Hamburg SV 1 - 1 Nurnberg
Bayern Munich 0 - 0 Werder Bremen
Mainz 2 - 1 Kaiserslautern
FC Cologne 1 - 0 St Pauli

And so a topsy-turvey season continues in the land of terracing, moustaches, sausages and beer. After 3 games Schalke, Stuttgart and Wolfsburg have no points whilst lowly Mainz sit joint top with Hoffenheim. Bayern have won only one game and scored only 2 goals.

Credit also due to Hannover whose last season ended in freefall after the suicide of Robert Enke; unbeaten after 3 games and scoring goals along the way.

Credit to Eintracht for a 4-0 away win against Moenchengladbach who had sat above them before kick off.

Earl of Leven
13-09-2010, 10:05
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=GER.1&cc=5739

For full table.

Earl of Leven
13-09-2010, 10:12
They've been misfiring badly....lost to a newly promoted side, needed a 93rd minute goal for their only win etc....not the team they were last season.

Kiery
13-09-2010, 10:21
I hope McLaren starts to get it right soon.

3 straight defeats ain't the best start but hopefully they will get their first win and can build from there.

Earl of Leven
13-09-2010, 10:25
I like Shteve but a howlingly bad start....of the pre-season tips only HSV and Dortmund have really made a decent start.

Kiery
13-09-2010, 10:33
I like Shteve but a howlingly bad start....of the pre-season tips only HSV and Dortmund have really made a decent start.

I have only seen the game v Bayern, where they played well but were unlucky.

Do you know if they have been playing poorly?

Blackpool Dave
13-09-2010, 11:57
Lookıng for some ınfomatıon from any bears wıth bundeslıga ınterests.Im stıll waıtıng for my brıefs for the hamburg v kaıserlautern game.When should ı start worryıng,how long should ı gıve ıt.

Divemaster
13-09-2010, 21:29
Bundesliga 2 game tonight:

Cottbus 5 - 5 Karlsruhe

w00t

Overanout
13-09-2010, 21:50
I have only seen the game v Bayern, where they played well but were unlucky.

Do you know if they have been playing poorly?

They led 3-0 at home to mainz only to end up losing 4-3 rassmussen scored :blink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHR5pRhvBqM&feature=related

Earl of Leven
14-09-2010, 10:16
I was reading the other day about the Mainz manager Christian Heidel....took over from Jurgen Klopp and got the promoted from Bundesliga 2, into 9th place last season and they're currenty 2nd and unbeaten this season. He is still only mid 40s I think.

Earl of Leven
16-09-2010, 15:10
Mixed week for German clubs in CL:

Bayern 2 Roma 0
Werder Bremen 2 Spurs 2
Lyon 1 Schalke 0

Bayern played quite well.....left it late though with two goals in last 11 minutes.
Bremen were generally outplayed but gained a creditable draw from 0-2 down after only 13 minutes.
Lyon won with something to spare after another poor Schalke performance.

Hamburg
16-09-2010, 15:21
I was reading the other day about the Mainz manager Christian Heidel....took over from Jurgen Klopp and got the promoted from Bundesliga 2, into 9th place last season and they're currenty 2nd and unbeaten this season. He is still only mid 40s I think.

Jörn Anderson took over from Jürgen Klopp, but his contract wasn't renewed (fired) one year later.

After Anderson, Thomas Tuchel took over and has, as you said, been reasonably successful with the club.

Here's his record to date:

Thomas Tuchel
Seit 03.08.2009
1. FSV Mainz 05
Ligaspiele: 37
Siege: 15
Unentschieden: 11
Niederlagen: 11

Earl of Leven
17-09-2010, 09:34
Jörn Anderson took over from Jürgen Klopp, but his contract wasn't renewed (fired) one year later.

After Anderson, Thomas Tuchel took over and has, as you said, been reasonably successful with the club.

Here's his record to date:

Thomas Tuchel
Seit 03.08.2009
1. FSV Mainz 05
Ligaspiele: 37
Siege: 15
Unentschieden: 11
Niederlagen: 11

Aye, sorry...Heidel is General Manager I think. Tuchel is the coach.....

Earl of Leven
17-09-2010, 09:36
Decent night for German clubs in Europa League:

Stuttgart 3 Young Boys 0
Bayer Leverkusen 4 Rosenborg 0
Karpaty Lviv 3 B Dortmudn 4

Helmes with hat-trick for Leverkusen....nice boost for Stuttgart who are pointless in Bundesliga...and Dortmund win with 2 goals in last 3 minutes, after leading 2-0 early in the match.

El Guaje
17-09-2010, 09:36
St Pauli HSV predicitons?

Away win for me >:)

53easy
17-09-2010, 09:37
Bayern got a great group in the champions league

El Guaje
17-09-2010, 09:37
Decent night for German clubs in Europa League:

Stuttgart 3 Young Boys 0
Bayer Leverkusen 4 Rosenborg 0
Karpaty Lviv 3 B Dortmudn 4

Helmes with hat-trick for Leverkusen....nice boost for Stuttgart who are pointless in Bundesliga...and Dortmund win with 2 goals in last 3 minutes, after leading 2-0 early in the match.

I was waiting on Dortmund and Getafe for my coupon. Both came from behind late on :clap:

making_a_stand
17-09-2010, 09:44
Am I the only one with an irrational hatred of Jurgen Klopp?

Earl of Leven
17-09-2010, 09:52
Am I the only one with an irrational hatred of Jurgen Klopp?

His glasses and hairdo don't do him any favours.

Hamburg
17-09-2010, 09:55
Aye, sorry...Heidel is General Manager I think. Tuchel is the coach.....

No probs, mate.
Tuchel is the "Trainer" as it's called here, we call it "Manager".

Earl of Leven
17-09-2010, 10:04
They're both quite young and doing well.....37 and 46 years old.

Earl of Leven
17-09-2010, 12:49
Fixtures

Friday 17th Sept 2010
Eintracht Frankfurt v SC Freiburg

Saturday 18th Sept 2010
Werder Bremen v Mainz
Bayern Munich v FC Cologne
VfL Wolfsburg v Hannover 96
VfB Stuttgart v Borussia Monchengladbach
Kaiserslautern v TSG Hoffenheim
St Pauli v Hamburg SV

Sunday 19th Sept 2010
Bayer Leverkusen v Nurnberg
Schalke 04 v Borussia Dortmund

Stand out clashes are of course the Hamburg derby and the Ruhr derby......I predict two away wins. At home are Stuttgart and Wolfsburg and both badly need a win. Bayern have a home game and have only one one league game so far...they need some form.

OnlyOneAmoruso
18-09-2010, 22:16
Wee tip...don't bet Stuttgart to draw.

CertifiedWeissfanboy
18-09-2010, 23:21
I thought Pogrebnyak was one of the best strikers in Europe when Zenit won the UEFA Cup a few years or so ago. He's toiled at Stuttgart but has been unlucky with injuries. Really hope he stays fit and shows people just how good he is.

rosstheger
19-09-2010, 17:49
2-0 Dortmund.

Kagawa with his second. He's a really good player from what I've seen.

Earl of Leven
19-09-2010, 17:51
Wee tip...don't bet Stuttgart to draw.

What a wise sage!! :)

They won 7-0........and Pogrebnyak hit a hat-trick.

El Guaje
19-09-2010, 17:52
Good result for Dortmund if they can hold on. Schalke have had an atrocious start.

CertifiedWeissfanboy
19-09-2010, 18:31
What a wise sage!! :)

They won 7-0........and Pogrebnyak hit a hat-trick.

Wasnt that before OOA posted?

Earl of Leven
19-09-2010, 18:31
Ah he was being sarcastic?

Ooops.

OnlyOneAmoruso
19-09-2010, 18:32
I bet them to draw 0-0. They didn't :D

Earl of Leven
19-09-2010, 18:34
I did okay...predicted Dortmund's wins and the wins for Stuttgart and Wolfsburg.

Didn't imagine Mainz doing so well though, did anyone?!

HMS.Temple.Garden
19-09-2010, 18:36
I was reading in the Norwegian press today that Bayern are looking at Aalesund goalkeeper, Anders Lindegaard as a replacement for Hans-Jörg Butt.

HMS.Temple.Garden
19-09-2010, 21:11
did the boycott go ahead?

53easy
19-09-2010, 21:22
Bayern are really missing Robben.

Ribery while a good player,i think he struggles for consistency and drifts out of matches for long spells.

Earl of Leven
20-09-2010, 10:19
Results

Eintracht Frankfurt 0 - 1 SC Freiburg
Werder Bremen 0 - 2 Mainz
Bayern Munich 0 - 0 FC Cologne
VfL Wolfsburg 2 - 0 Hannover 96
VfB Stuttgart 7 - 0 Borussia Monchengladbach
Kaiserslautern 2 - 2 TSG Hoffenheim
St Pauli 1 - 1 Hamburg SV
Bayer Leverkusen 0 - 0 Nurnberg
Schalke 04 1 - 3 Borussia Dortmund

Stutttgart had a nice way to pick up your first win of the season....another superb result for Mainz.....another poor draw for HSV and a disaster for Schalke.

Borussia Dortmund took the honours in the Westphalian derby with a 3-1 win, a scoreline which did not fully reflect their domination of the game at the home of their rivals Schalke. Jurgen Klopp's side put on a riveting show of swift, attacking football to leave the Royal Blues without a chance until Klaas Jan Huntelaar's last-minute consolation. The untouchable Shinji Kagawa was on target twice for Dortmund with Robert Lewandowski completing the rout in the 86th minute.

Schalke ended the game with 10 men since Nicolas Plestan was given his marching orders for a second yellow card after an hour to leave them rock bottom with four defeats in four games.

Bayer Leverkusen were thwarted by a defiant Nurnberg side as they managed only a goalless draw at the BayArena. Leverkusen moved to five points and stand eighth in the Bundesliga while Nurnberg earned their third draw in four matches and with three points they are in 16th place.

Mladen Petric's late goal secured Hamburg a point in an emotion-packed 1-1 draw at city rivals St Pauli. Fabian Boll gave the promoted side the lead in the 77th minute but Petric struck in the 88th minute to equalise for Hamburg and deny St Pauli's first derby victory over Hamburg in 33 years.

Stuttgart picked up their first win in incredible fashion as they hammered Borussia Monchengladbach 7-0 at home to move up to 13th place. It took just two minutes for Pavel Pogrebnyak to score and he wrapped up his hat-trick in the 60th minute after another from Georg Niedermeier. Late goals from Zdravko Kuzmanovic, Matthieu Delpierre and Ciprian Marica put the gloss on the scoreline.

Bayern Munich's dreadful start to the season continued as the champions were held 0-0 at home by FC Cologne. With fans celebrating the start of Oktoberfest, the reigning champions were the dominant team but could not find a way past the Cologne defence. It left Bayern eighth in the league with just five points from four matches, one better off than Cologne. Cologne are also the only Bundesliga club not to have lost against Bayern at Allianz Arena.

Marcel Risse and Andre Schurrle scored within eight minutes in the second half to give Mainz a 2-0 victory at Werder Bremen and top spot in the Bundesliga.

Risse struck in the 53rd minute and substitute Schurrle doubled the lead in the 61st minute as Mainz collected their fourth win in four matches for a perfect 12 points. The win put Mainz top of the table for the first time in club history. Bremen remained on four points for 10th place.

Elsewhere, Wolfsburg finally got their Bundesliga challenge off the ground this afternoon with a welcome 2-0 win at home to Hannover. Second-half goals from Diego and Edin Dzeko earned Steve McClaren's men victory at the fourth time of asking this season.

Kaiserslautern drew 2-2 with TSG Hoffenheim. The visitors took the lead thanks to Luiz Gustavo, but a brace in the second half from Erwin Hoffer put the home side in control. However Gylfi Sigurdsson hit a 77th-minute equaliser.

Earl of Leven
20-09-2010, 10:19
Complete table....has a strange look at this early stage:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=GER.1&cc=5739

Kiery
20-09-2010, 10:37
I thought Pogrebnyak was one of the best strikers in Europe when Zenit won the UEFA Cup a few years or so ago. He's toiled at Stuttgart but has been unlucky with injuries. Really hope he stays fit and shows people just how good he is.

I totally agree with that mate.

Well done to Macca for getting his first points of the season:)

Hopefully he can build on it now.

Earl of Leven
20-09-2010, 10:38
He needs a comedy German accent....then the success will flow from there. Worked in Holland.

Kiery
20-09-2010, 10:39
Bayern are really missing Robben.

Ribery while a good player,i think he struggles for consistency and drifts out of matches for long spells.

I think he flatters to deceive a lot of the time.

He is capable of 2/3 great games a season, but like you say mate struggles to be consistant.

Earl of Leven
21-09-2010, 17:07
21st September 2010
Mainz v FC Cologne
Hannover 96 v Werder Bremen
TSG Hoffenheim v Bayern Munich

22nd September 2010
Borussia Dortmund v Kaiserslautern
Nurnberg v VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Monchengladbach v St Pauli
Hamburg SV v VfL Wolfsburg
Bayer Leverkusen v Eintracht Frankfurt
SC Freiburg v Schalke 04

Tasty trip to the 'Hoff for a struggling Bayern tonight....tomorrow Dortmund v Kaiserslautern could be a classic. Watch Schalke's attempts for 3 points take them to lowly Freiburg...surely not another defeat?

CertifiedWeissfanboy
21-09-2010, 17:50
I think he flatters to deceive a lot of the time.

He is capable of 2/3 great games a season, but like you say mate struggles to be consistant.

Ribery was invariably brilliant for Bayern up until last year, mate. The wheels have really came off him recently though.

Anyone see Honigstein's piece on Kagawa? I watched the highlights of the derby and looks amazing. Was surprising to see Lewandowski to steal the praise on here.


As far as Japanese imports go, he came to Germany as a no-name, unashamedly second-rate and for a Fistful of Yen, like those 3inch LCD TVs you can pick up at Aldi for €27.99. Over breakfast at a Dortmund sushi bar before the start of the season, he told reporters his dad worked for Kinki Nippon Railway. He gawped at "the most beautiful blondes" he had ever seen. People born in 1989, the Japanese year of the snake, were "very driven, hate failure and don't mind hardship", he explained. He insisted that we was "not a special Japanese player", a humble statement that was met with the only question a smart, progressive, politically sensitive 21st-century tabloid like Bild could possibly ask: "How the hell are we supposed to tell him apart from [Schalke's Japanese player] Atsuto Uchida?"

A few weeks later, his colleagues were convinced of his merits, however. "The boy plays like an angel," the Borussia Dortmund midfielder Nuri Sahin said after an impressive performance and two strikes against in the Europa League against the Azerbaijani outfit Qarabag Agdam. "He's a great addition," the team's captain, Sebastian Kehl, said. And the sporting director, Michael Zorc, a man who spent years firing blanks in the transfer market before suddenly switching to magic bullets, allowed himself a hint of triumphalism: "People laughed in the summer when I said this guy will score goals for us."

Now they don't. Shinji Kagawa, 21, signed for €350,000 (£294,000) from the J-League new boys Cereza Osaka, a figure that roughly equals one hundredth of Schalke 04's total expenditure on new recruits, was the star of the show in the Veltins-Arena last night. Dortmund absolutely bossed the Revierderby with a combination of high pressing and crisp passing, but the first win in three years against their hated rivals was, first and foremost, down to Kagawa's fine handiwork. The attacking midfielder opened the scoring when he cut through the Royal Blues' defence like a freshly sharpened Hanzo sword, then unleashed a shot that Benedikt Höwedes could only deflect past Manuel Neuer in goal. For his second, he ghosted past the half the Schalke team to artistically steer a fine chip from Jakub Blaszczykowski into the net. "The style of this lively, cultured player reminds one of the filigree writing of the calligraphers," local newspaper Ruhr Nachrichten gushed.

Kagawa had confidently predicted he would score a brace in Sport-Bild interview before the derby but was modesty personified after the event. "I knew how important this game was," he said. "It's just wonderful to see the happy faces of my team-mates. Of course I'm proud that I played a role in making this historic win happen."

Dortmund could have humiliated the home side further after the hapless French defender Nicolas Plestan was sent off for a second bookable offence on the hour mark but after a tough, last-minute 4-3 win at Karpaty Lviv on Thursday, Jürgen Klopp's men were content to conserve energy and add only one more. Kagawa's replacement Robert Lewandowski made it three from a corner before Klaas-Jan Huntelaar grabbed a last minute consolation that really wasn't. And Kagawa's "350,000" was not the only good number for the Black and Yellows on Sunday. Exactly 1604 Borussia supporters had returned their tickets in a widely reported protest against a 50% hike in ticket prices. They made it the first non sell-out derby in decades; missing out on their team's triumph was considered a price worth paying for their principled stand.

"It's wonderful to win such a game on 19 September of all days," the BVB president, Reinhard Rauball, said in reference to the club's founding year 101 years ago. "This is the best day of the year for me."

Schalke, on the other hand, have no points to show from their four league outings and are at the bottom of the Bundesliga. "This is my worst day here," said a dejected Felix Magath, who claimed that "a total lack of confidence" was responsible for his sorry team's malaise. "We played without courage and aggression, it wasn't even a proper derby for us. We played it like a friendly," lamented Neuer, the only Schalke player who had turned up. "We never wanted the ball," Magath said. The 57-year-old manager, it has to be said, has played his role in destabilising what was last season's most obdurate side. A mass clear-out at the back in the summer was followed by frenzied 10-year-old-in-the-candy-shop-buying of expensive, big-name forwards. Defence and midfield were carelessly neglected but somehow his team were supposed to play more and better football. Schalke consequently now resemble the kind of sandwich they might serve up at Taipei's "Modern Toilet" restaurant: there's Neuer on one side, Huntelaar & Raul on the other, with nothing but a stinking mess in between.

£294,000. F*cking hell. Why we don't look at East Asia is beyond me.

NDiayes Shinpads
21-09-2010, 19:39
Dortmund have fantastic young players in Kagawa, Hummels, Subotic, Sahin and Grosskreutz. The Bundesliga is probably producing young players at a better rate than any league in the world, puts places like England to shame.

Earl of Leven
22-09-2010, 10:05
Bayern Munich came back from a first-minute goal from TSG Hoffenheim to win 2-1 courtesy of a last-gasp effort from Daniel van Buyten.

Vedad Ibisevic had put the hosts in front and they held on for an hour before Thomas Muller levelled, with Van Buyten getting the winner in the 90th minute. Elsewhere, Hannover continued their strong start to the new Bundesliga season with an impressive 4-1 win at home against struggling Werder Bremen.

Clemens Fritz's own goal in the 11th minute gave Hannover the lead before a Torsten Frings penalty after 36 minutes levelled things up. Didier Ya Konan restored Hannover's lead in the 53rd minute before Christian Schulz (79) and Mohammed Abdellaoue (90) added gloss to the scoreline.

Lewis Holtby scored twice to keep surprise package Mainz on top of the Bundesliga with a 2-0 home win over Cologne.

Earl of Leven
22-09-2010, 10:27
Ziani - more bad news
Wolfsburg have been hit by news that midfielder Karim Ziani needs a hip operation that could keep him out for up to three months.

Ziani, who played for Algeria at this summer's World Cup in South Africa, has struggled with pain in his groin and has been told that surgery is the only answer.

"Experts consulted have determined that Karim Ziani could not do without a hip operation," Wolfsburg revealed on their official website on Tuesday.

"It is expected he will be out for two to three months."

The 28-year-old playmaker has made just 13 appearances for the 2008-09 Bundesliga champions since signing from Marseille last summer, and has the unenviable record of having never won a match with Wolfsburg - who currently lie second-bottom of the table.

Ruud to retire?
Hamburg striker Ruud van Nistelrooy has revealed he could hang up his boots at the end of the season and he believes the box striker is a dying breed.

Van Nistelrooy, who has kick-started his career in Germany at the age of 34, believes he may feel the time is right to quit the game next summer even if he has helped fire Hamburg into the Champions League.

Hamburg sit fifth in the table after the opening four games of the season and remain undefeated. Van Nistelrooy, who scored five goals in seven starts after joining Hamburg in January, has already netted three league goals this term, plus scored a hat-trick in the DFB-Pokal clash against Torgelower SV Greif.

That form led to an unexpected recall into the Netherlands squad for the last round of Euro 2012 qualifiers. And he marked that return by coming on as a substitute and scoring in a 5-0 win at San Marino. But even though he has won a return to the international fold he may not be around for the European Championships.

Van Nistelrooy feels that top managers are now favouring forwards who drop deep and run with the ball, rather than the predatory striker who used to be used to such devastating effect.

"I don't have long-term plans anymore," he told Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung. "I have to listen to my body, so I can't say now that I'll be playing in 2012. I look at everything from year to year, see how it is going and then decide whether to carry on. I'm aiming to play consistently and well this season.

"Perhaps I'll carry on, perhaps not. I've no idea how long I have left to play. If Hamburg qualify for the Champions League it would be nice, but when I feel that it is time up for me then I have to go - in or out of the Champions League.

"Is Lionel Messi a striker? He actually embodies a complete forward. He scores goals, he makes them, he dribbles. Just like Cristiano Ronaldo. This is a completely new style, neither is like me, a typical No. 9 who stands up top and always wants to be in the box when something happens. These strikers I don't see so often.

"In the box I can use my best qualities. Everything must come together in less than a second. Where is the defender? Where is the free space? Which of my team-mates has the ball? Marcell Jansen does different things to Eljero Elia, so I must also react differently. A lot has to do with intuition, with the instinct.

"As a striker you need a certain liveliness. Otherwise you're not getting away from your opponent. You always have to be a bit faster, be smarter and do things differently than they would expect."

Kiery
22-09-2010, 11:00
Ribery was invariably brilliant for Bayern up until last year, mate. The wheels have really came off him recently though.


I like Ribery and I agree that he was great for the majority of his time at Bayern.

I was more meaning in terms of world football. He like to think of himself as up there with Messi, Ronaldo, Robben etc when I think he is a tier down from players like those.

Divemaster
22-09-2010, 20:38
Dortmund are on a brilliant run of form. With Bremen, Schalke, Bayern, Wolfe, HSV and Stuttgart all struggling, very good chance they'll make the Champions League.

Earl of Leven
23-09-2010, 14:08
Tuesday 21st September

Mainz 2 - 0 FC Cologne
Hannover 96 4 - 1 Werder Bremen
TSG Hoffenheim 1 - 2 Bayern Munich

Wed 22nd September
Borussia Dortmund 5 - 0 Kaiserslautern
Nurnberg 2 - 1 VfB Stuttgart
Borussia Monchengladbach 1 - 2 St Pauli
Hamburg SV 1 - 3 VfL Wolfsburg
Bayer Leverkusen 2 - 1 Eintracht Frankfurt
SC Freiburg 1 - 2 Schalke 04

Schalke's first win...mainz march on...HSV cannot win.....Wolfsburg's mini revival continues.....

Klaas Jan Huntelaar's late goal gave last season's Bundesliga runners-up Schalke their first victory of the season 2-1 at 10-man Freiburg. Ivan Rakitic gave Schalke the lead after nine minutes before Papiss Demba Cisse equalised in the 69th minute. Huntelaar struck the winner in the 87th minute before Freiburg were reduced to 10 men in stoppage time when Ivica Banovic saw red.

Borussia Dortmund's charge up the Bundesliga continued with a dominant 5-0 home victory over Kaiserslautern for their fourth straight win. Lucas Barrios opened the scoring in the 31st minute and Kevin Grosskreutz doubled the advantage just seven minutes later. Mats Hummels made it 3-0 in the 65th minute and Robert Lewandowski and Barrios second completed the rout. The victory gives Jurgen Klopp's team 12 points and second place in the table, three points behind surprise leaders Mainz. Kaiserslautern dropped to ninth place on seven points.

Grafite scored twice in seven second-half minutes to give Wolfsburg a 3-1 victory at Hamburg. Edin Dzeko gave Wolfsburg the lead after 15 minutes before Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting equalised in the 27th minute. However, Grafite struck in the 71st and 78th minutes for the win. Wolfsburg started the season with three straight losses but have now won their last two games for six points and 11th place. Hamburg remain in sixth with eight points.

Arturo Vidal's last-minute penalty was enough to lift Bayer Leverkusen to third table and a 1-0 win to heap more pressure upon Eintracht Frankfurt who slid to their fifth loss in six games. Vidal swept home the spot-kick after being fouled by Patrick Ochs, who was dismissed for a second bookable offence. It was all Leverkusen deserved for a dominant second half display.

Javier Pinola's last-gasp strike gave 10-man Nurnberg their first victory of the season at the expense of Stuttgart as they won 2-1. Julian Schieber gave Nurnberg the lead after just three minutes but the hosts went a man down in the 66th minute when Andreas Wolf was shown a second yellow card. Cacau equalised for Stuttgart in the 85th minute but Pinola snatched the points for the hosts.

Michael Frontzeck's role as Borussia Monchengladbach coach came under renewed pressure after his side blew an early lead to suffer a third straight Bundesliga defeat at home to St Pauli, losing the game 2-1. Frontzeck's men were desperate to make up for last weekend's embarrassing 7-0 defeat at Stuttgart and started well with Marco Reus having a goal disallowed for offside then Juan Arango opening the scoring. But St Pauli stormed back after the break to claim their first win in four league games thanks to goals from Gerald Asamoah and Florian Bruns.

KopGer
23-09-2010, 14:14
...HSV cannot win......

Not only could they not win, they lost.

Anyone would think you liked them from those three little words! :D

Earl of Leven
23-09-2010, 14:18
2 draws and a defeat from last three games.

The form team are Dortmund....playing well, fantastic young team, full of pace and ideas. Also watch Leverkusen...also young, fit, well drilled and exciting.

Kiery
23-09-2010, 14:20
Super Steve gets two wins in a row:D

KopGer, did you see Mullers goal against Roma? Sticky pants time for you:p

KopGer
23-09-2010, 14:25
Super Steve gets two wins in a row:D

KopGer, did you see Mullers goal against Roma? Sticky pants time for you:p

Goal of the Season, they should just give him it now. :D

Earl of Leven
23-09-2010, 14:28
Muller.....is it his fresh faced good looks?

;-)

KopGer
23-09-2010, 14:29
Muller.....is it his fresh faced good looks?

;-)

He could only be German, I bet he has a denim jacket covered in pin badges.

Earl of Leven
23-09-2010, 14:30
When he retires he WILL grow a moustache.

KopGer
23-09-2010, 14:33
When he retires he WILL grow a moustache.

You'd have him in your team though wouldn't you?

What a talent.

Bastian was even uglier in his younger years yet he had two stunners in the training ground jacuzzi.

Earl of Leven
23-09-2010, 14:49
Bastian looks like a retard crossed with a Panzer tank driver....but his wife? you'd crawl over broken glass to wank on her shadow.

KopGer
23-09-2010, 14:53
Bastian looks like a retard crossed with a Panzer tank driver....but his wife? you'd crawl over broken glass to wank on her shadow.

His dad has to be SS Major von Hapen in Where Eagles Dare.

FortWilliamLoyal
23-09-2010, 15:06
Great comeback from Deutschland's finest on Tuesday, showing what Champions are made of:cool:

It's been a slow start to the season but it'll come good soon enough, culminating in another title!

Buddiebearette
23-09-2010, 15:09
Dortmund have fantastic young players in Kagawa, Hummels, Subotic, Sahin and Grosskreutz. The Bundesliga is probably producing young players at a better rate than any league in the world, puts places like England to shame.

its true....there is a lot more grassroots support for kids football and they get well taught ..just noticed when I lived there and the kids were in a local club...even wee ones of primary school age were producing great football matches and were being well schooled in all aspects of the game

oranje-viola
25-09-2010, 14:55
Mainz continuing their effortless procession to the title again today at the Allianz, 1-0 up already against Bayern:D


Schalke 1-0 down at home to M'Gladbach, this slow start is in danger of becoming a dangerous rut which could ruin their season.

Made all the worse by the fact Dortmund are flying, thankfully beating St Pauli 1-0 early on as well.

Stuttgart seem set to mirror Schalke's awful start, 2-0 down at home to Leverkusen

cooler_king
25-09-2010, 16:33
Mainz continuing their effortless procession to the title again today at the Allianz, 1-0 up already against Bayern:D


Schalke 1-0 down at home to M'Gladbach, this slow start is in danger of becoming a dangerous rut which could ruin their season.

Made all the worse by the fact Dortmund are flying, thankfully beating St Pauli 1-0 early on as well.

Stuttgart seem set to mirror Schalke's awful start, 2-0 down at home to Leverkusen

Bayern lose 1-2 at home to Mainz
Schalke draw 2-2 with Gladbach
Stuttgart beaten 1-4 by Leverkusan

C_K

Buddiebearette
25-09-2010, 17:33
well done Mainz :thumb: