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rjmonk
10-05-2010, 19:28
Following this seasons success I thought we'd have a wee look back and see how the compare the titles challenge with them has shaped over the years (don't be fooled by 'youz wir formed before us' arguement :)'

1890/91 - the first ever league title shared following a playoff with Dumbarton (1 v 0)
1892/93 - following defeat in 2 of our last 3 games it means they win the league by 1pt (1 v 1)
1897/98 - after a barren few years they are pulling away! Although after this it's 4 in a row (1 v 4)
1898/99 - a special mention for the legendary 100& season and I doubt this will ever be equalled (2 v 4)
1901/02 - following the aforementioned 4IAR we are back in the lead (5 v 4)
1904/05 - they square things up after we lose the league in a playoff (5 v 5)
1909/10 - more barren years follow and we slip behind (5 v 10)
1912/13 - following 3IAR the gap is once again closed (8 v 10)
1917/18 - following 4IAR by them the slump is averted and the tide is starting to turn (9 v 14)
1919/20 - Our 10th league title and unfortunately Mr Wiltons last

1920/21 - Mr Struth takes over and begins his legacy (11 v 15)
1921/22 - They win the league but it's going to be bleak in the east end for a while (11 v 16)
1932/33 - Our 20th league title

1934/35 - by the end of this season we had won a remarkable 11 out of 13 :) titles (compared to their 1) under Mr Struth meaning we had surged into a 22 v 17 lead which has not yet been overhauled
1938/39 - the last before WW2 won convincingly by us to leave the scores at 24 v 19 at the outbreak of war. It could be argued that this came at a bad time for us as we won the league the next 7 seasons including an 8-1 humping of them. These seven titles are NOT inlcuded in the 53
1946/47 - with the war over normal service resumed with the title heading to Ibrox. However a strong Hibs side were emerging who would be prominent over the next few years (25 v 19)
1952/53 - the title is won by us using goal difference/average for the first time (instead of a playoff). Lead now extended to (28 v 19)
1953/54 - Pegged back by one in Mr Struths last season but this does not diminish his remarkable record. Their first league title in 16 years (28 v 20)
1956/57 - Our 30th title (30 v 20)

1963/64 - Our great team of the early 60s wins their 3rd title in 4 seasons to extend the lead. Unfortunately this would be our last for 11 years (34 v 20)
1974/75 - After enduring their 9IAR the title returns home at long last (Colin Stein and all that). The lead has been trimmed but reads (35 v 29)
1975/76 - The first season of the Premier League. A treble season for Big Jock makes it (36 v 29)
1977/78 - Another treble season - little did we know what was around the corner (37 v 30)
1985/86 - following a disgraceful St Mhidden performance they win the title on goal difference from Hearts. Fortunately the emergence of Aberdeen & United has prevented them from winning a few titles. Enter Mr Holmes, Mr Souness, Walter et al (37 v 34)
1986/87 - Woods, Butcher, Roberts (not forgetting Super, Cooper, Durranty & Fleck) charge to reclaim the titles. Who can forget those scenes at Pittodrie? (38 v 34)
1988/89 - the start of something big. Three games in and declan is sent home with his tail between his legs (Wilkins!!!). The first of the 9 (39 v 35)
1989/90 - Title no. 40 - it's 2 in a row (with dough!) (40 v 35)
1990/91 - Souness jumps ship with 4 games to go and Sir Walter of Carmyle takes the helm. Big Hateley pulls it out the bag as the walking wounded slaughter dolly to make it 3IAR (41 v 35)
1992/93 - Another treble year (Sash in the jungle), a very long unbeaten run at home & abroad. Some of the best football I have witnessed watching the bears. 5IAR (43 v 35)
1996/97 - At last what we had been aiming for for the last few seasons has been achieved - Its 9 in a Row (47 v 35). The less said about next season the better
1998/99 - the arrival of Advocaat and again playing some great stuff in another treble year. The title clincher at the Piggery will live long in the memory! (48 v 36)
1999/00 - A 21 point romp for the Oranje squad (49 v 36)
2002/03 - Title no.50. Big Eck brings up the half century on a memorable final day in the sun (50 v 38)
2004/05 - Title 51 in the most dramatic/unexpected circumstances. 'The helicopter is changing direction' (51 v 39)
2008/09 - Walter returns to lead us to another title on another chopper Sunday (Ha Ha Samaras) (52 v 42)
2009/10 - Against the odds Walter does it again with quite a bit to spare. Our now 40 year old skipper lifts the trophy (53 v 42):)
2010/11 - Final day drama? I don't think so. Possibly one of the sweetest titles in current times and a fitting way for Sir Walter to bow out. Step up and play the champions (54 v 42).

So there you have it. We have been in the lead since the 1920s although our biggest lead (14) was at the end of season 63/64. On side note the title has been won by us or them than equal/less than points for a win (2 or 3) on 27 occassions

paisleyprod
10-05-2010, 19:33
good thread mate

BigMarv5
10-05-2010, 19:44
Nice! :):)

thestorm1847
10-05-2010, 19:55
Well presented, if only they really knew their history, second best again.:)

Superally51
10-05-2010, 20:01
Cheers for taking the time to do that! intresting read!

Born_With_The_Treble
10-05-2010, 20:08
Do any bears think they will ever catch up?

rjmonk
10-05-2010, 20:10
Do any bears think they will ever catch up?

I bloody well hope not and most certainly not in my time on this planet!

PunkScott
10-05-2010, 20:43
So we've been ahead since the 30s?

I like it.

sirdavieofweir
10-05-2010, 20:55
great thread mate

lowerhuttloyal
11-05-2010, 03:58
Well done that man.

Good stuff.:)

New York Bear
11-05-2010, 05:16
Maybe this can be updated? http://comparethetitles.com/

Porto Bear
11-05-2010, 05:41
Good thread Mr Monk

The treble in 77/78 and then the long long wait until 86/87 before securing another title was torture.

Thank god for Mr Holmes If he didn't come in when he did the mhanks could have pegged back a few more.

rjmonk
11-05-2010, 08:46
Good thread Mr Monk

The treble in 77/78 and then the long long wait until 86/87 before securing another title was torture.

Thank god for Mr Holmes If he didn't come in when he did the mhanks could have pegged back a few more.

Imagine the world of FF during these years!!!

Jelle1880
11-05-2010, 08:51
I heard that Rangers were actually the first to complete a 9IAR, during the war ?

GavCo
11-05-2010, 08:54
Might sound like a stupid question, but what exactly happened with the league during WWII that leagues and matches don't count towards any records but the ones during WWI do?

rjmonk
11-05-2010, 13:17
Might sound like a stupid question, but what exactly happened with the league during WWII that leagues and matches don't count towards any records but the ones during WWI do?

The league was played but I assume was regionalised (can't check at the mo) as the league we won through these years was the Southern League

Popbear
11-05-2010, 13:27
1912/13 - following 3IAR the gap is once again closed (8 v 10)
1917/18 - following 4IAR by them the slump is averted and the tide is starting to turn (9 v 14)
1919/20 - Our 10th league title and unfortunately Mr Wiltons last

So do they count titles won during the great war yet we discount those won during WW2?

bilkobear
11-05-2010, 13:28
Might sound like a stupid question, but what exactly happened with the league during WWII that leagues and matches don't count towards any records but the ones during WWI do?

To save on resources the league became regional.
Thus Aberdeen played in an North Eastern division.
But I believe we competed against most of the strong teams who would have made up the normal first division.
Motherwell, Hibs and Hearts as well as the Tarriers all being in the Southern League as I think it was known.

If you count our seven war leagues in which we competed directly against The Filth then the score should really be 60 to 42.
They are second and a feckin poor second at that. :D

rjmonk
15-05-2011, 15:42
Bump :) :) :)

rjmonk
15-05-2011, 15:43
It ain't changed the thread title - Boo

gordyboy
15-05-2011, 15:50
I was in tears reading that and chearing ever victory even way back over 100 years, I wasn't there but by **** I know how they felt. In the words of my sons 1st season as a season ticket holder "this is the best day of my life dad" well done Rangers and WATP!!!!

AyeReady
15-05-2011, 16:23
54-42 was our number - Toots and the Maytals need to do a new version (http://youtu.be/oiUO_VPM-QI)

psychobillyboy
15-05-2011, 16:29
Tremendous.

PunkScott
15-05-2011, 16:36
Worked it out today, My Granda is 75, this is his 32nd title, im 25 and its my 17th. Not too shabby a record.

brotybear
15-05-2011, 16:47
1912/13 - following 3IAR the gap is once again closed (8 v 10)
1917/18 - following 4IAR by them the slump is averted and the tide is starting to turn (9 v 14)
1919/20 - Our 10th league title and unfortunately Mr Wiltons last

So do they count titles won during the great war yet we discount those won during WW2?

Let's now officially recognise WW2 league titles and celebrate 61-42!:):):)

Ed_Stanley
15-05-2011, 16:54
1912/13 - following 3IAR the gap is once again closed (8 v 10)
1917/18 - following 4IAR by them the slump is averted and the tide is starting to turn (9 v 14)
1919/20 - Our 10th league title and unfortunately Mr Wiltons last

So do they count titles won during the great war yet we discount those won during WW2?

We don't have any say in it.

The Scottish League was continued during WWI unlike the English League.

Very strange, considering the number of players who were losing their lives - especially those of Hearts.

The Leagues duruing WWII were not recognised and were organised on a regional basis, although in practice that just meant the removal of Aberdeen and the Dundee teams. Rangers played in the 'Southern League' after one season in which they played in the 'Western Region'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Football_League_(Scotland)

Rangers also won the 'Southern League Cup' in 1941, '42, '43 and '45.

Rangers reserves played in the 'North Eastern League' for most of the war - this was divided into two 'series' per season. Rangers 'A' team won both series in 1941-42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Eastern_Football_League_(Scotland)

There was also a 'North Eastern League Cup' - Rangers 'A' won both 'series' in 1943-44.

Hootsmon
15-05-2011, 17:02
I'll stand corrected here but I heard somewhere that the bheggars count goals scored during the war years as part of the club/player's goalscoring records. True or pish?

niar
15-05-2011, 17:11
Scotland’s Top Team each year since 1891
(when it all began…second only to England in establishment throughout the world)

Rangers = 61 years Celtic = 42 years

Hearts = 4 years Hibernian = 4 years

Aberdeen = 4 years Dumbarton = 2 years

3rd Lanark = 1 year Motherwell = 1 year

Dundee = 1 year Kilmarnock = 1 year

Dundee Utd = 1 year

121 years of competition
Rangers = 61 years
RANGERS TRULY ARE BETTER THAN ALL THE REST


Scottish Football League ( 1891-1939 )
Emergency War League ( 1939-40 )
Southern League ( 1941-45 )
Scottish Football League ( 1947-75 )
Scottish Premier League ( 1976- )
• 1891
G W D L F-A PTS

Dumbarton 19 13 4 2 63:23 40
Rangers 19 13 4 2 60-27 40

Scottish League ordered playoff
Result : Dumbarton 2 Rangers 2 ( Scottish League ordered that the title be shared )

• 1905
PLD W D L F-A PTS
Rangers 26 19 3 4 83:28 41
Celtic 26 18 5 3 68:31 41

Scottish League ordered playoff
Result : Celtic 2 Rangers 1

• 1940

Regional League West: Rangers
Regional League East: Falkirk

Championship play-off
Result : Rangers 2 Falkirk 1

1891 Dumbarton & Rangers*
1892 Dumbarton
1893 Celtic
1894 Celtic
1895 Hearts
1896 Celtic
1897 Hearts
1898 Celtic
1899 Rangers
1900 Rangers
1901 Rangers
1902 Rangers
1903 Hibernian
1904 Third Lanark
1905 Celtic*
1906 Celtic
1907 Celtic
1908 Celtic
1909 Celtic
1910 Celtic
1911 Rangers
1912 Rangers
1913 Rangers
1914 Celtic
1915 Celtic
1916 Celtic
1917 Celtic
1918 Rangers
1919 Celtic
1920 Rangers
1921 Rangers
1922 Celtic
1923 Rangers
1924 Rangers
1925 Rangers
1926 Celtic
1927 Rangers
1928 Rangers
1929 Rangers
1930 Rangers
1931 Rangers
1932 Motherwell
1933 Rangers
1934 Rangers
1935 Rangers
1936 Celtic
1937 Rangers
1938 Celtic
1939 Rangers
1940 Rangers*
1941 Rangers
1942 Rangers
1943 Rangers
1944 Rangers
1945 Rangers
1946 Rangers
1947 Rangers
1948 Hibernian
1949 Rangers
1950 Rangers
1951 Hibernian
1952 Hibernian
1953 Rangers
1954 Celtic
1955 Aberdeen
1956 Rangers
1957 Rangers
1958 Hearts
1959 Rangers
1960 Hearts
1961 Rangers
1962 Dundee
1963 Rangers
1964 Rangers
1965 Kilmarnock
1966 Celtic
1967 Celtic
1968 Celtic
1969 Celtic
1970 Celtic
1971 Celtic
1972 Celtic
1973 Celtic
1974 Celtic
1975 Rangers
1976 Rangers
1977 Celtic
1978 Rangers
1979 Celtic
1980 Aberdeen
1981 Celtic
1982 Celtic
1983 Dundee Utd
1984 Aberdeen
1985 Aberdeen
1986 Celtic
1987 Rangers
1988 Celtic
1989 Rangers
1990 Rangers
1991 Rangers
1992 Rangers
1993 Rangers
1994 Rangers
1995 Rangers
1996 Rangers
1997 Rangers
1998 Celtic
1999 Rangers
2000 Rangers
2001 Celtic
2002 Celtic
2003 Rangers
2004 Celtic
2005 Rangers
2006 Celtic
2007 Celtic
2008 Celtic
2009 Rangers
2010 Rangers
2011 Rangers

Ed_Stanley
15-05-2011, 17:26
Leagues won on goal difference/goal average or shared:
1891 1953 2003*

Leagues won by 1 point:
1918 1949 1950 1961 2005* 2011*

Leagues won by 2 points:
1902 1931 1947 1957 1959 1978 1991


* 3 points for a win