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britain
14-04-2010, 12:40
Managed to find some interesting low crowd stats from the mid 1980s.

Average attendances for 3 seasons 93/84,84/85 and 85/86.

Rangers first.

1983/84.
R - 21,996.
C - 18,390.

1984/85.
R - 20,963.
C- 20,827.

1985/86.
R - 25,146.
C - 25,355.

We were in one of our worst ever runs and we were above a Celtc team that were always in the running for the first two Championships and winning it in 85/86.

During 1983/84, Celtc played Dundee at home in the League on 24th April 1984 in front of a paltry crowd of 4956.

There you go.

Walkers Loyal
14-04-2010, 12:47
Where are those stats from mate? Only, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere a while back that in the year we scraped 5th place to get the last European spot (just before Souness), and the year they beat Hearts to the championship we actually had a higher average attendance than the mutants?
The figures you've posted would suggest otherwise? :confused:

Sir Duncan Ferguson
14-04-2010, 12:55
Where are those stats from mate? Only, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere a while back that in the year we scraped 5th place to get the last European spot (just before Souness), and the year they beat Hearts to the championship we actually had a higher average attendance than the mutants?
The figures you've posted would suggest otherwise? :confused:

If you take the two OF games played at the Scumhut in 85/86 out of the equation then we had the bigger average.

omegaman
14-04-2010, 12:59
Managed to find some interesting low crowd stats from the mid 1980s.

Average attendances for 3 seasons 93/84,84/85 and 85/86.

Rangers first.

1983/84.
R - 21,996.
C - 18,390.

1984/85.
R - 20,963.
C- 20,827.

1985/86.
R - 25,146.
C - 25,355.

We were in one of our worst ever runs and we were above a Celtc team that were always in the running for the first two Championships and winning it in 85/86.

During 1983/84, Celtc played Dundee at home in the League on 24th April 1984 in front of a paltry crowd of 4956.

There you go.

It should also be pointed out that the respective capacities at the time were:

Ibrox: 44,000
Parkhead: 65,000

britain
14-04-2010, 13:00
Where are those stats from mate? Only, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere a while back that in the year we scraped 5th place to get the last European spot (just before Souness), and the year they beat Hearts to the championship we actually had a higher average attendance than the mutants?
The figures you've posted would suggest otherwise? :confused:

Stats taken from the book.'The roar of the crowd.'

We did just scrape into Europe :eek:on the last day of 85/86 at home to Motherwell.The same day they won the League:mad:

am proud 2 b blue
14-04-2010, 13:01
I remember those years and those crowds and I was one of them who kept going week after week WATP

BroxiBear1872
14-04-2010, 13:09
I remember those years and those crowds and I was one of them who kept going week after week WATP

Me too, you really could sit where you liked in most stands. Despite this, the atmospher created was far better than it is now.

Markyboy44
14-04-2010, 13:17
I was also attending frequently around this time and was there the day we had to beat Motherwell to qualify for the Uefa Cup. Strange day that one. We all thought Walter kidd and not Albert Kidd had scored at Dens Park and the tims kept on scoring another and then another. Hearts were so unlucky that season. In relation to the low crowds- IIRC the tims played Dundee at the start of April which was one of their lowest crowds and they were starting to call for Davie Hays head. Thy won that game and every other one after that and the crowds started to come back so much so that there was a scramble for tickets at Love Street on the final day. TGFITW my arse!!

Newlands_loyal
14-04-2010, 13:47
I was also attending frequently around this time and was there the day we had to beat Motherwell to qualify for the Uefa Cup. Strange day that one. We all thought Walter kidd and not Albert Kidd had scored at Dens Park and the tims kept on scoring another and then another. Hearts were so unlucky that season. In relation to the low crowds- IIRC the tims played Dundee at the start of April which was one of their lowest crowds and they were starting to call for Davie Hays head. Thy won that game and every other one after that and the crowds started to come back so much so that there was a scramble for tickets at Love Street on the final day. TGFITW my arse!!

Hearts blew it I'm afraid rather than being unlucky. I can recall a game they had at Tannadice [round about this time] where they pumped a very good Utd side 3 nil and most pundits thought it was in the bag for them. They hardly won a game after that, as I said ,blew it

Walkers Loyal
14-04-2010, 13:51
I was also attending frequently around this time and was there the day we had to beat Motherwell to qualify for the Uefa Cup. Strange day that one. We all thought Walter kidd and not Albert Kidd had scored at Dens Park and the tims kept on scoring another and then another. Hearts were so unlucky that season. In relation to the low crowds- IIRC the tims played Dundee at the start of April which was one of their lowest crowds and they were starting to call for Davie Hays head. Thy won that game and every other one after that and the crowds started to come back so much so that there was a scramble for tickets at Love Street on the final day. TGFITW my arse!!

Yeah mate, I was at that last game of the season where we pipped Dundee for the european place. Suffice to say it was a surreal atmosphere as everyone was convinced Hearts had equalised. Even with us winning the game when we found out the scum had won the league it was like a morgue around Ibrox.

britain
14-04-2010, 21:52
I was also attending frequently around this time and was there the day we had to beat Motherwell to qualify for the Uefa Cup. Strange day that one. We all thought Walter kidd and not Albert Kidd had scored at Dens Park and the tims kept on scoring another and then another. Hearts were so unlucky that season. In relation to the low crowds- IIRC the tims played Dundee at the start of April which was one of their lowest crowds and they were starting to call for Davie Hays head. Thy won that game and every other one after that and the crowds started to come back so much so that there was a scramble for tickets at Love Street on the final day. TGFITW my arse!!

I belive that day near the Final Whistle at Love St, local Celtc supporters went to see the last couple of minutes/celebrations:roll:

King William
14-04-2010, 22:17
Rangers fans were on complete downers that day.

Only perked up a week later when we beat the beadrattlers 3-2 in the Glasgow cup final at Ibrox. Friday night game.

costigan85
15-04-2010, 01:25
Managed to find some interesting low crowd stats from the mid 1980s.

Average attendances for 3 seasons 93/84,84/85 and 85/86.

Rangers first.

1983/84.
R - 21,996.
C - 18,390.

1984/85.
R - 20,963.
C- 20,827.

1985/86.
R - 25,146.
C - 25,355.

We were in one of our worst ever runs and we were above a Celtc team that were always in the running for the first two Championships and winning it in 85/86.

During 1983/84, Celtc played Dundee at home in the League on 24th April 1984 in front of a paltry crowd of 4956.

There you go.

79/80 - 20,405
80/81 - 18,328
81/82 - 16,400 :blink:
82/83 - 17,681
83/84 - 21,996
84/85 - 20,963
85/86 - 25,146

jivman
15-04-2010, 01:30
79/80 - 20,405
80/81 - 18,328
81/82 - 16,400 :blink:
82/83 - 17,681
83/84 - 21,996
84/85 - 20,963
85/86 - 25,146

It was around 1978 that the new Ibrox was opened wasn't it?

Was that much of a factor? Were there a section of Bears who just didn't like the new stadium compared to our old home?

Or were we just pish? :D

costigan85
15-04-2010, 01:46
Well this was a very poor period for us but crowds across the board had decreased in the seventies too, before they picked up again towards the end of the eighties

Boabmeister
15-04-2010, 02:01
Where are those stats from mate? Only, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere a while back that in the year we scraped 5th place to get the last European spot (just before Souness), and the year they beat Hearts to the championship we actually had a higher average attendance than the mutants?
The figures you've posted would suggest otherwise? :confused:

according to that years evening times, we did have a slightly higher average than septic, the 4th highest in britain in fact, man utd, liverpool, and if the memory serves spurs were above us.

from memory.

britain
15-04-2010, 06:08
79/80 - 20,405
80/81 - 18,328
81/82 - 16,400 :blink:
82/83 - 17,681
83/84 - 21,996
84/85 - 20,963
85/86 - 25,146

Been better if the 81/82 attendance had been 16,900:D:D:D:angel:

britain
15-04-2010, 06:11
It was around 1978 that the new Ibrox was opened wasn't it?

Was that much of a factor? Were there a section of Bears who just didn't like the new stadium compared to our old home?

Or were we just pish? :D

The new Ibrox rebuild didn't have that much of an effect bar crowds v Celtc.

We were in decline from 79/80 to 85/86 with the exceptions of a few early seasonal promises.

We usually faded away and badly after one bad result say in mid-late October.

Or we were, in other words what you say in your last comment:D

Markpro
15-04-2010, 06:14
I remember those years and those crowds and I was one of them who kept going week after week WATP

Me too...and they were tough times to be a ger.

PEDROK
15-04-2010, 07:01
My mates and I started going around 1981 and hardly missed a game until the all ticket policy came in ,when strangely some of the boys drifted away .

Might not have been a great team ,but they were our team ,we loved that period and it made us appreciate the good times when they came .

The Treble Kings
15-04-2010, 07:43
It should also be pointed out that the respective capacities at the time were:

Ibrox: 44,000
Parkhead: 65,000

Parkhead didn't hold that. Its capacity was 60,800.

britain
29-04-2010, 19:58
Bump re last nights low crowd at you know where.

whitecarlos
29-04-2010, 20:03
Anyone tell me why the crowds were so low?
Poor product?
Apathy?
Fear of trouble?

Souness really did revolutionise Scottish football didnt he!


Edit Was it the new firms dominance?

Top_Cat
29-04-2010, 20:08
I remember going to Ibrox, probably 1984/85 and the crowds were low, tbh...mid 20k

coplandrearl36
29-04-2010, 20:11
Was the country not in turmoil, early 80's 3 day week, Miners strike, unrest and basically money very tight.

Daddy_Bear07
29-04-2010, 20:12
Anyone tell me why the crowds were so low?
Poor product?
Apathy?
Fear of trouble?

Souness really did revolutionise Scottish football didnt he!


Edit Was it the new firms dominance?

Crowds were down all over the UK at that time.

As for the New Firm, Dundee United when they won the title in 1983 had an average attendance of 11,000.

Top_Cat
29-04-2010, 20:13
Was the country not in turmoil, early 80's 3 day week, Miners strike, unrest and basically money very tight.

yes, it was, remember being taken on miners strikes and protests with my Mum, must have only been 10 or so, nobody had much money back then...very similar to now....the recession has bitten very hard, people are putting paying bills and mortgages first before football.

whitecarlos
29-04-2010, 20:14
Crowds were down all over the UK at that time.

As for the New Firm, Dundee United when they won the title in 1983 had an average attendance of 11,000.

Id never expect Uniteds crowds to be high success or otherwise.
Football was cheap to go to at the time,I just dont understand why.
Anyone older have a theory?
We had been starved of success but did they not win a couple of leagues in the early/mid 80s?

vulijbear
29-04-2010, 20:15
Crowds usually fell away once we were out of contention as an example game against the sheep early to mid season around 30/35,000 near the end of the season around 20,25,000

whitecarlos
29-04-2010, 20:17
Was the country not in turmoil, early 80's 3 day week, Miners strike, unrest and basically money very tight.

Thabks for that,knew there must have been some reason for it.
Must have been murder as there wasnt much tv coverage at time either.

vulijbear
29-04-2010, 20:18
Id never expect Uniteds crowds to be high success or otherwise.
Football was cheap to go to at the time,I just dont understand why.
Anyone older have a theory?

After the 1980 final no drink was allowed in plus the pubs were just starting to be allowed to stay open all day before this they shut at 2:30 so a lot of people then got a carry out and went to the game to continue drinking

Daddy_Bear07
29-04-2010, 20:20
Id never expect Uniteds crowds to be high success or otherwise.
Football was cheap to go to at the time,I just dont understand why.
Anyone older have a theory?
We had been starved of success but did they not win a couple of leagues in the early/mid 80s?

What do you mean anyone older have a theory.????

As i said crowds were low everywhere at that time.

Recession, violence all played a part.

whitecarlos
29-04-2010, 20:20
After the 1980 final no drink was allowed in plus the pubs were just starting to be allowed to stay open all day before this they shut at 2:30 so a lot of people then got a carry out and went to the game to continue drinking

Thats probably more like it:D

Ayrshire_Billy_Boy
29-04-2010, 20:21
In 85/86 we could still draw in nearly 40,000 though, like we did for the early games v Hibs, Hearts and the sheep at Ibrox.

vulijbear
29-04-2010, 20:21
Was the country not in turmoil, early 80's 3 day week, Miners strike, unrest and basically money very tight.

3 day week was the 70's money might have been a bit tighter but it was cheap to get in as i managed it every week on only broo money and money from a paper round which i had kept on doing as there were no jobs

whitecarlos
29-04-2010, 20:22
What do you mean anyone older have a theory.????
As i said crowds were low everywhere at that time.

Recession, violence all played a part.

And Daddy Bear answered!


I was only 10 in 85 so didnt know,sorry for any offence.
Well done you for being able to work the internet too:D

Billyurksboots
29-04-2010, 20:24
Rangers fans were on complete downers that day.

Only perked up a week later when we beat the beadrattlers 3-2 in the Glasgow cup final at Ibrox. Friday night game.

The night I changed my mind about Ally McCoist,I think it was the first time I'd seen him score from outside the box.

:D

mfgorm
29-04-2010, 20:36
Our crowds were low because we were crap. When the season started we would get around 30,000 for games and as we fell away 15-20,000. Some games against the likes of Clydebank or Morton would get 10-15,000. IIRC there were less tan 10,000 at an SCSF replay v Forfar. Crowds in general dropped in the late 70s can't think of any specific reason for that.

colinglasgow
29-04-2010, 20:47
I remember standing in the East Encloshure at a midweek game V Morton in the snow with a crowd of around 9,000 early 80s

HawickLoyal
29-04-2010, 20:50
i remember being at the St Midden game after we got beat by sceptic (and they won the league) and there was about 2000 fans at ibrox... think the year was 1979..... anyone else there ???

WATP
:)

BB72
29-04-2010, 21:07
Anyone tell me why the crowds were so low?
Poor product?
Apathy?
Fear of trouble?

Souness really did revolutionise Scottish football didnt he!


Edit Was it the new firms dominance?

Thats why a lot of the ones that went did:angel:

britain
29-04-2010, 21:11
There was no TV covearge of any British domestic football for most of the 1985/86 season.

Yet I don't think crowds in general were high despite this 'handicap'.

Bill Struth
29-04-2010, 21:44
I remember going right through the early 80s & some really poor crowds v Dumbarton,St Johnstone & Clydebank off the top of my head

costigan85
30-04-2010, 01:44
Crowds were down all over the UK at that time.

As for the New Firm, Dundee United when they won the title in 1983 had an average attendance of 11,000.

there seemed to be an upward trend across the board towards the end of the decade and into the nineties

us
80/81 - 18,328
81/82 - 16,400
82/83 - 17,681
83/84 - 21,996
84/85 - 20,963
85/86 - 25,146
86/87 - 36,152 champs
87/88 - 38,568
88/89 - 39,189 champs
89/90 - 38,436 champs

them
80/81 - 22,836* champs
81/82 - 22,718* champs
82/83 - 23,740*
83/84 - 18,390
84/85 - 20,827
85/86 - 25,335* champs
86/87 - 25,311
87/88 - 33,199 champs
88/89 - 31,713
89/90 - 28,616
*higher than us just 4 out of 10 in a poor time for us

sheep
80/81 - 12,315
81/82 - 11,360
82/83 - 15,534
83/84 - 17,138 champs
84/85 - 15,877 champs
85/86 - 14,326
86/87 - 12,595
87/88 - 13,460
88/89 - 14,107
89/90 - 15,445

arabs
80/81 - 7,716
81/82 - 9,416
82/83 - 11,133 champs
83/84 - 10,894
84/85 - 10,666
85/86 - 10,842
86/87 - 10,432
87/88 - 10,462
88/89 - 12,830
89/90 - 10,719

sydneyger65
30-04-2010, 02:04
83/84 is interesting, look how close the sheep were to the scum, just over a thousand a week more FFS !!!

britain
30-04-2010, 05:58
Managed to find some interesting low crowd stats from the mid 1980s.

Average attendances for 3 seasons 93/84,84/85 and 85/86.

Rangers first.

1983/84.
R - 21,996.
C - 18,390.

1984/85.
R - 20,963.
C- 20,827.

1985/86.
R - 25,146.
C - 25,355.

We were in one of our worst ever runs and we were above a Celtc team that were always in the running for the first two Championships and winning it in 85/86.

During 1983/84, Celtc played Dundee at home in the League on 24th April 1984 in front of a paltry crowd of 4956.

There you go.

Bumped my original point. The 'paltry crowd of 4956' v Dundee in 84 is probably about 3,500 more than 'the attendance' the other night:roll:

Dalgety Bear
30-04-2010, 06:51
I remember going right through the early 80s & some really poor crowds v Dumbarton,St Johnstone & Clydebank off the top of my head

Dumbarton is the one I remember mate. Low crowd for a Saturday. Not sure how many but estimate 11 k

niftyfifty
30-04-2010, 10:11
i remember being at the St Midden game after we got beat by sceptic (and they won the league) and there was about 2000 fans at ibrox... think the year was 1979..... anyone else there ???

WATP
:)

It was against Partick Thistle a couple of nights later.

AN09
30-04-2010, 13:37
i remember being at the St Midden game after we got beat by sceptic (and they won the league) and there was about 2000 fans at ibrox... think the year was 1979..... anyone else there ???

WATP
:)

As the other threader was alert to, it was Partick Thistle we played on the Wednesday after we lost 4-2 at the Tattiedome, I only seen a bit of this game, as I was playing football at queen's Park Rec, that night.

What I seen, however, was a penalty save by McClaw, from a thunderbolt of a penalty by Dougie Somner, was this his way of making up for letting Turdo McLeod's clincher slip through his grasp a couple of evenings later.

britain
30-04-2010, 20:38
I remember going right through the early 80s & some really poor crowds v Dumbarton,St Johnstone & Clydebank off the top of my head

Dundee Utd midweek March 1981, Jim Stewart debut and we got gubbed 4 -1!
Seem to remember a low crowd that night for some reason. Check later to find what the crowd actually was.

vulijbear
30-04-2010, 21:04
League cup game midweek pissing down against Brechin City and i think lucky if there was 3,000 there will always remember 3 guys standing at the front of the west enclosure getting soaked but still singing their hearts out

britain
30-04-2010, 21:30
League cup game midweek pissing down against Brechin City and i think lucky if there was 3,000 there will always remember 3 guys standing at the front of the west enclosure getting soaked but still singing their hearts out

Didn't we have virtually a reserve team out that night ?

Or certainly a team with alot of then youngsters such as Dave McPherson, Billy Davies and Kenny Black.

Steviep1962
30-04-2010, 21:34
League cup game midweek pissing down against Brechin City and i think lucky if there was 3,000 there will always remember 3 guys standing at the front of the west enclosure getting soaked but still singing their hearts out

that was a 2nd leg match we won the 1st leg 4-0
the match at ibrox was dave mcphersons debut we won 1-0

vulijbear
30-04-2010, 21:54
Didn't we have virtually a reserve team out that night ?

Or certainly a team with alot of then youngsters such as Dave McPherson, Billy Davies and Kenny Black.

Just checked and the team was Stewart,Mclelland,Dawson,Forsyth,Mcpherson,Redford ,Cooper,Russell,Dalziel,Mcdonald,Mclean, with Mckay and Davies as subs looks a pretty strong team to me for the time

britain
30-04-2010, 22:20
Just checked and the team was Stewart,Mclelland,Dawson,Forsyth,Mcpherson,Redford ,Cooper,Russell,Dalziel,Mcdonald,Mclean, with Mckay and Davies as subs looks a pretty strong team to me for the time

Cheers for finding that team.

Thought the team that played that night had half a dozen youngsters in it .

Memory is going:D

Bar King Bear
30-04-2010, 22:27
It should also be pointed out that the respective capacities at the time were:

Ibrox: 44,000
Parkhead: 65,000

thought the capacity of Ibrox was 36k in the 80s

when the club deck was put on it pushed it up by 10k and then filling the corners and lowering the playing area all came post souness.

mfgorm
30-04-2010, 22:28
League cup game midweek pissing down against Brechin City and i think lucky if there was 3,000 there will always remember 3 guys standing at the front of the west enclosure getting soaked but still singing their hearts out

I was at that game too, I think that was the lowest crowd I've seen at Ibrox. But as above pouring rain & first leg score had a major influence.

Steviep1962
30-04-2010, 22:30
thought the capacity of Ibrox was 36k in the 80s

when the club deck was put on it pushed it up by 10k and then filling the corners and lowering the playing area all came post souness.

at one time the capacity was 33,000 when the govan stand was being built

vulijbear
30-04-2010, 22:31
thought the capacity of Ibrox was 36k in the 80s

when the club deck was put on it pushed it up by 10k and then filling the corners and lowering the playing area all came post souness.

Nope always remember it as Main Stand 10,000,Govan 10,000 Copland and Broomloan 7,500 each and Enclosure 9,000 when the club deck was being built it was suppose to take us to a 51,000 capacity but then they had to seat the Enclosure which took it back down until they filled in the corners

Steviep1962
30-04-2010, 22:34
Nope always remember it as Main Stand 10,000,Govan 10,000 Copland and Broomloan 7,500 each and Enclosure 9,000 when the club deck was being built it was suppose to take us to a 51,000 capacity but then they had to seat the Enclosure which took it back down until they filled in the corners

that was the 90`s not 80`s

Steviep1962
30-04-2010, 22:44
i was at a celtic game 1984 when bobby williamson scored the only goal i`m sure the attendance that day was 33,000 due to the govan stand being built
can somebody confirm this?

vulijbear
30-04-2010, 22:54
that was the 90`s not 80`s

Naw it wisny as soon as the Govan was finished in 81 the capacity was 44,000

vulijbear
30-04-2010, 22:57
i was at a celtic game 1984 when bobby williamson scored the only goal i`m sure the attendance that day was 33,000 due to the govan stand being built
can somebody confirm this?

Crowd was 40,260 and the govan had been opened for almost 3 years

Steviep1962
30-04-2010, 23:06
Crowd was 40,260 and the govan had been opened for almost 3 years

when was the capacity 33.000 then my brains scrambled just now,i`m sure there was a celtic game with that attendance

vulijbear
30-04-2010, 23:19
when was the capacity 33.000 then my brains scrambled just now,i`m sure there was a celtic game with that attendance

Was at a few when that was the attendance while they were developing the ground they done it one stand at a time Copland first then Broomloan and finally the Govan

Ayrshire_Billy_Boy
30-04-2010, 23:26
Dundee Utd midweek March 1981, Jim Stewart debut and we got gubbed 4 -1!
Seem to remember a low crowd that night for some reason. Check later to find what the crowd actually was.

It was about 11,000 and for some reason the highlights were on telly.

Job No.86/20
30-04-2010, 23:57
I remember going down to watch a game against the China XI, I was very young at the time,

can't even remember the year now,

but I remember looking round and wondering why the place was so big and there was hardly anyone there,

the days you could walk up to the gate, get straight in and pretty much sit where you wanted to

GingerFurball
01-05-2010, 00:54
Nope always remember it as Main Stand 10,000,Govan 10,000 Copland and Broomloan 7,500 each and Enclosure 9,000 when the club deck was being built it was suppose to take us to a 51,000 capacity but then they had to seat the Enclosure which took it back down until they filled in the corners

In the 1988/89 season review video, the plans for the Club Deck were revealed and in the video, Murray tells us that the Club Deck would take the capacity of Ibrox to 52,000 - which didn't happen.

The capacity slipped to 38,000 for the 1990/91 season, possibly the 1989/90 season as well as I can't remember when construction on the Club Deck started, and I've always assumed that was because of the Club Deck being built - the Main Stand stayed open, but I doubt it could have been operating at capacity.

In summer 1994 the Enclosures were seated, however the pitch was lowered 6 feet and extra rows were added onto the front of the Govan, Broomloan and Copland Stands - this is obvious if you look at the sides of the Broomloan or Copland Stands which face the Main Stand.

AN09
01-05-2010, 09:34
It was about 11,000 and for some reason the highlights were on telly.

If anyone has the programme from this game, there was a profile on Gregor Stevens and he said his aim was to reform, he was just back from a lengthy suspension after being sent off against The Arabs in a 2-1 defeat at Tannadice.

What does Stevens do, he gets sent off for lamping Paul Sturrock!

britain
01-05-2010, 12:19
It was about 11,000 and for some reason the highlights were on telly.

Cheers thought it was lower than that.

Can't imagine I would have been that seen to watch the higjlights when I got home that night.:eek:

For once I probably agreed with my mum about it 'being too late to watch football when I'd school the next morning'...

Ardoyne RSC
01-05-2010, 12:31
I remember sitting in the front of the Govan stand one night, around that time. League Cup (I think) against Raith Rovers. It was pissing out of the heavens, and there were only around 20 people in the entire front. Apart from the main stand, and Copland stand, the rest of the ground wasn't much better. There were some in the Govan rear as we could hear the noise, but couldn't have been many.

Stags-Blue
01-05-2010, 12:49
As the other threader was alert to, it was Partick Thistle we played on the Wednesday after we lost 4-2 at the Tattiedome, I only seen a bit of this game, as I was playing football at queen's Park Rec, that night.

What I seen, however, was a penalty save by McClaw, from a thunderbolt of a penalty by Dougie Somner, was this his way of making up for letting Turdo McLeod's clincher slip through his grasp a couple of evenings later.

Thistle crowd in 1979 was just over 6,000

jimbo.b
01-05-2010, 13:12
You are in danger of believing actual recorded numbers of crowd averages matter.
Rangers played in front of 10 folk every week at that time while Celtc had to turn fans away from full houses. That's the party line, learn it.

Oh, and I was also there week in, week out, through the late 60's, 70's and onwards.

DC Anchor
01-05-2010, 13:29
It was about 11,000 and for some reason the highlights were on telly.


seem to remember the crowd was 16k that night, virtually no Utd fans.
Jim Stewart debut, a very good Utd team well and truly hammered us:(.

1873bear09
01-05-2010, 13:35
The tarriers attendances this season are worse than any of the above stats.

IAN WATP
01-05-2010, 13:48
The mates dad was only saying last week there was times in the 70's and 80's they were traveling over from NI and there was only a few thousand ,when people in Glasgow were'nt attending the games yet here were still Ulstermen prepared to make a boat journey.

dublinbluenose
01-05-2010, 14:09
Me too, you really could sit where you liked in most stands. Despite this, the atmospher created was far better than it is now.

i think i sat in every stand front and rear except the main stand and stood in both enclosures,we just decided on the day where we went.we used to have a bet before some games if anyone would sit in the red section of the govan.the west enclosure by the tunnel was pretty hairy at times when things wern't going well as old bears used to vent there fury at any passing Rangers player or manager:eek:

dublinbluenose
01-05-2010, 14:18
Our crowds were low because we were crap. When the season started we would get around 30,000 for games and as we fell away 15-20,000. Some games against the likes of Clydebank or Morton would get 10-15,000. IIRC there were less tan 10,000 at an SCSF replay v Forfar. Crowds in general dropped in the late 70s can't think of any specific reason for that.

thats my take on why the crowds were so low,the support was there and would come out for a game v the manks and cup finals and the odd game v the sheep.but games v the st mirrens,dundee's and kilmarnocks ibrox was empty,best expample for me we played the manks in a league cup final in 82 list 2-1 and the rangers end was full, a week later we played morton and i think the crowd was eleven thousand,the dundee loyal bus had twelve people on it that day:eek:

BordersBear
01-05-2010, 14:23
Were the Mhanks not notorious in the 80's for fiddling with their crowds (no tittering at the back). A direct opposite to what they do now ie instead of upping the crowd they used to give an official crowd lower than what was actually there. something to do with dodging the taxman or filling the biscuit tinif my mind serves me correctly.

You could always get into an OF game at the piggery for all ticket matches by just handing over the cash to an obliging turnstile operator, downside was you had to trail through that shitty red ash that turned into a swamp if it was raining.

britain
01-05-2010, 18:30
Were the Mhanks not notorious in the 80's for fiddling with their crowds (no tittering at the back). A direct opposite to what they do now ie instead of upping the crowd they used to give an official crowd lower than what was actually there. something to do with dodging the taxman or filling the biscuit tinif my mind serves me correctly.

You could always get into an OF game at the piggery for all ticket matches by just handing over the cash to an obliging turnstile operator, downside was you had to trail through that shitty red ash that turned into a swamp if it was raining.

Yes Celtc allegedly 'adjusted' attendance figures back then.

Newlands_loyal
01-05-2010, 19:18
I think it should be pointed out that prior to the age of the season ticket attendances were very fickle, even beyond the 1980s, eg a mid week European game followed on the Saturday by a game v say St Johnstone would barely frighten the 20k mark.
Here,s a thought, what do you think that other mob,s attendances would be just now if they did,nt have ''mullions'' of season ticket holders.

britain
03-05-2010, 09:03
The week after the 1982 League Cup Final we played Morton, we drew 1-1, it was freezing and we'd 9,500 at Ibrox. Don't know why I remember that game.

DamsideBear
03-05-2010, 12:07
Managed to find some interesting low crowd stats from the mid 1980s.

Average attendances for 3 seasons 93/84,84/85 and 85/86.

Rangers first.

1983/84.
R - 21,996.
C - 18,390.

1984/85.
R - 20,963.
C- 20,827.

1985/86.
R - 25,146.
C - 25,355.

We were in one of our worst ever runs and we were above a Celtc team that were always in the running for the first two Championships and winning it in 85/86.

During 1983/84, Celtc played Dundee at home in the League on 24th April 1984 in front of a paltry crowd of 4956.

There you go.

similar stats but a little more info.

Season 1983/84: Celtic (2nd in league) average 18,390. Rangers (4th in league) average 21,995. (Source: SFA)

Season 85/86: Our worst season in 80 odd years, 5th in the League and knocked out of both Cups. Meanwhile, Celtic won the League on the last day of the season. However, we still averaged 25419 to their 24012. (Source: Evening Times May 1986). Take away Old Firm matches and the difference would be even greater as they had a far bigger ground capacity than us at that time.

Season 87/88: Celtic won the league. Rangers were third. Their average home league attendance was 33,199. Ours was 38,568. (Source SFA).

Want to go a little further back? Bob Crampsey (former season ticket holder at The Glitter Stadium) said this in the Evening Times of 14th March 2001 “I confirm that the list of attendances you submit for Celtic Park in the period 1958-64 (too numerous to reproduce here) are accurate and, indeed, crowds at Parkhead hovered around the 7000 mark for run-of-the-mill matches." In other words, 7,000 was their usual attendance.

Indeed throughout history The Rangers have ALWAYS had a larger following than Celtic. Lest we forget season 1993/94 when their average crowd was a paltry 22,759 (Rangers averaged 43358). Does anyone have any idea where the additional 36,000 “faithful” followers have come from? And where were they in 1994?

Which again brings me conveniently to another Yahoo myth. I doubt if there's any of us who haven't been subjected to the lie "Yeez only hud two fousand furra gemme against Partick Fistle...."

The game in question was played on Wednesday 23rd May 1979, a rescheduled match which had been cancelled due to snow at New Year. Why was the crowd so low you may ask? Well, two days earlier on the Monday night we had been beaten 4-2 by Nonce FC in the game that clinched the league for them. Whilst not making excuses, the Thistle game was totally meaningless.

Here's the crux of the matter. The attendance at the game was actually 6,087. This figure is recorded in official Scottish League records. The 2,000 figure came from a Daily Record estimate (it would seem even in those days the Record was prepared to tell lies about our club). Willie Waddell, was moved to issue a statement that rubbished the quoted attendance, and declared the number to have been "nearer 10,000 than 2,000." Incidentally, Rangers won 1-0 thanks to a Derek Johnstone goal. (Source: Scotsman Saturday 21st August 2004). It should also be noted that Ibrox was undergoing massive redevelopment at the time.

By comparison 4,956 turned out for a Nonce FC home match against Dundee on 24 April 1984 (Scottish League Records). So the next time the yahoo in your life starts spouting his lies, be sure to quote him the FACTS and watch him squirm.

britain
04-05-2010, 06:05
similar stats but a little more info.

Season 1983/84: Celtic (2nd in league) average 18,390. Rangers (4th in league) average 21,995. (Source: SFA)

Season 85/86: Our worst season in 80 odd years, 5th in the League and knocked out of both Cups. Meanwhile, Celtic won the League on the last day of the season. However, we still averaged 25419 to their 24012. (Source: Evening Times May 1986). Take away Old Firm matches and the difference would be even greater as they had a far bigger ground capacity than us at that time.

Season 87/88: Celtic won the league. Rangers were third. Their average home league attendance was 33,199. Ours was 38,568. (Source SFA).

Want to go a little further back? Bob Crampsey (former season ticket holder at The Glitter Stadium) said this in the Evening Times of 14th March 2001 “I confirm that the list of attendances you submit for Celtic Park in the period 1958-64 (too numerous to reproduce here) are accurate and, indeed, crowds at Parkhead hovered around the 7000 mark for run-of-the-mill matches." In other words, 7,000 was their usual attendance.

Indeed throughout history The Rangers have ALWAYS had a larger following than Celtic. Lest we forget season 1993/94 when their average crowd was a paltry 22,759 (Rangers averaged 43358). Does anyone have any idea where the additional 36,000 “faithful” followers have come from? And where were they in 1994?

Which again brings me conveniently to another Yahoo myth. I doubt if there's any of us who haven't been subjected to the lie "Yeez only hud two fousand furra gemme against Partick Fistle...."

The game in question was played on Wednesday 23rd May 1979, a rescheduled match which had been cancelled due to snow at New Year. Why was the crowd so low you may ask? Well, two days earlier on the Monday night we had been beaten 4-2 by Nonce FC in the game that clinched the league for them. Whilst not making excuses, the Thistle game was totally meaningless.

Here's the crux of the matter. The attendance at the game was actually 6,087. This figure is recorded in official Scottish League records. The 2,000 figure came from a Daily Record estimate (it would seem even in those days the Record was prepared to tell lies about our club). Willie Waddell, was moved to issue a statement that rubbished the quoted attendance, and declared the number to have been "nearer 10,000 than 2,000." Incidentally, Rangers won 1-0 thanks to a Derek Johnstone goal. (Source: Scotsman Saturday 21st August 2004). It should also be noted that Ibrox was undergoing massive redevelopment at the time.

By comparison 4,956 turned out for a Nonce FC home match against Dundee on 24 April 1984 (Scottish League Records). So the next time the yahoo in your life starts spouting his lies, be sure to quote him the FACTS and watch him squirm.

Bumped for a Tuesday debate at work:angel:

lalsger
04-05-2010, 07:45
I remember those years and those crowds and I was one of them who kept going week after week WATP

The atmosphere was far better at that time even with the low crowds!

AN09
04-05-2010, 11:01
Thistle crowd in 1979 was just over 6,000

I did know that there was more than 2,000 at this game, despite what some reports suggested, I remember we played them, (Thistle), on a Wednesday night game in 1977, where there was a meagre crowd, that one sticks in my mind, because the guy I was with at that game, dis a bit of scouting work for Stoke City and he recommended a certain Alan Hansen to them, however, he went to a Club in Merseyside and what they say, is, the rest is history.

It was someone else, who stated as low as 2,000 for this game in 79, but I just passed comment on my whereabouts, the night of this game.

jardine
04-05-2010, 11:57
Stats taken from the book.'The roar of the crowd.'

We did just scrape into Europe :eek:on the last day of 85/86 at home to Motherwell.The same day they won the League:mad:
i got lost that day as i went to the toilet at near time up and when the subway loyal (yes you had them even then, though not on the same scale) where leaving i thought my dad had left me and i ran out to look for him!!!!

to be fair i was only 5

justagrin
04-05-2010, 11:59
The filths crowds just now are the poorest i've seen, but they will come out tonight to watch the champions no doubt.

too_many_daves
04-05-2010, 12:00
similar stats but a little more info.

Season 1983/84: Celtic (2nd in league) average 18,390. Rangers (4th in league) average 21,995. (Source: SFA)

Season 85/86: Our worst season in 80 odd years, 5th in the League and knocked out of both Cups. Meanwhile, Celtic won the League on the last day of the season. However, we still averaged 25419 to their 24012. (Source: Evening Times May 1986). Take away Old Firm matches and the difference would be even greater as they had a far bigger ground capacity than us at that time.

Season 87/88: Celtic won the league. Rangers were third. Their average home league attendance was 33,199. Ours was 38,568. (Source SFA).

Want to go a little further back? Bob Crampsey (former season ticket holder at The Glitter Stadium) said this in the Evening Times of 14th March 2001 “I confirm that the list of attendances you submit for Celtic Park in the period 1958-64 (too numerous to reproduce here) are accurate and, indeed, crowds at Parkhead hovered around the 7000 mark for run-of-the-mill matches." In other words, 7,000 was their usual attendance.

Indeed throughout history The Rangers have ALWAYS had a larger following than Celtic. Lest we forget season 1993/94 when their average crowd was a paltry 22,759 (Rangers averaged 43358). Does anyone have any idea where the additional 36,000 “faithful” followers have come from? And where were they in 1994?

Which again brings me conveniently to another Yahoo myth. I doubt if there's any of us who haven't been subjected to the lie "Yeez only hud two fousand furra gemme against Partick Fistle...."

The game in question was played on Wednesday 23rd May 1979, a rescheduled match which had been cancelled due to snow at New Year. Why was the crowd so low you may ask? Well, two days earlier on the Monday night we had been beaten 4-2 by Nonce FC in the game that clinched the league for them. Whilst not making excuses, the Thistle game was totally meaningless.

Here's the crux of the matter. The attendance at the game was actually 6,087. This figure is recorded in official Scottish League records. The 2,000 figure came from a Daily Record estimate (it would seem even in those days the Record was prepared to tell lies about our club). Willie Waddell, was moved to issue a statement that rubbished the quoted attendance, and declared the number to have been "nearer 10,000 than 2,000." Incidentally, Rangers won 1-0 thanks to a Derek Johnstone goal. (Source: Scotsman Saturday 21st August 2004). It should also be noted that Ibrox was undergoing massive redevelopment at the time.

By comparison 4,956 turned out for a Nonce FC home match against Dundee on 24 April 1984 (Scottish League Records). So the next time the yahoo in your life starts spouting his lies, be sure to quote him the FACTS and watch him squirm.

fantastic stuff;)

bookmarked.

britain
06-05-2010, 06:35
Bumped, just in case Timmy claims the anything otherwise !

ally66
06-05-2010, 07:41
Remember too that the average attendances would be skewed in the tims favour due to the fact that they had higher attendances for the old firm games at the piggery. For a truer picture, average attendances excluding OF games would show we were REGULARLY attacting more to run of the mill games and not just big match glory hunters

jimbear
06-05-2010, 10:13
Where are those stats from mate? Only, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere a while back that in the year we scraped 5th place to get the last European spot (just before Souness), and the year they beat Hearts to the championship we actually had a higher average attendance than the mutants?
The figures you've posted would suggest otherwise? :confused:

I have the same recollection as Walkers Loyal. Our average attendance in the sesson that Souness arrived was higher than theirs. Incidentally it's Souness' birthday today. He's 57 and from this Bear, have a very happy birthday Mr Souness.

Old RW&B
06-05-2010, 10:54
i think i sat in every stand front and rear except the main stand and stood in both enclosures,we just decided on the day where we went.we used to have a bet before some games if anyone would sit in the red section of the govan.the west enclosure by the tunnel was pretty hairy at times when things wern't going well as old bears used to vent there fury at any passing Rangers player or manager:eek:

I had a "Rover" season ticket, that allowed you to sit in any stand you chose on a game by game basis. And, naw, it didn't allow ye to take yer dug to the game :D

britain
06-05-2010, 12:37
I had a "Rover" season ticket, that allowed you to sit in any stand you chose on a game by game basis. And, naw, it didn't allow ye to take yer dug to the game :D

Had forgotten about that Season Ticket.

I assume it didn't mean the Broomloan Road Stand when 'they' turned up:eek::D

britain
17-05-2010, 22:27
79/80 - 20,405
80/81 - 18,328
81/82 - 16,400 :blink:
82/83 - 17,681
83/84 - 21,996
84/85 - 20,963
85/86 - 25,146

Somebody on another thread recently, asked if we averaged 11,000 during John Greigs reign !:eek:

britain
09-07-2011, 08:02
Bumped for current debate on attendances in 79s and 80s.

barrheadbear
09-07-2011, 09:57
I remember those years and those crowds and I was one of them who kept going week after week WATP

Just seen this thread.

I never missed a home game from August 77 through to November 1990.

Attendances were low in early 80's purely as a result of the team being crap.

Each season would start with anticipation and reasonably high crowds but, as was always the case, a few bad results, and the realisation that we would struggle once again, saw the crowds drop off dramatically.

As was normal then 2 or 3 home games could be postponed in a season due to bad weather and were always rearranged for a midweek date at the tail end of the season - by then the team were well out of contention and the rearranged matches struggled to get gates above 8000 and therefore had a serious affect on our average home attendance.

The one up-side was that parking the car was not a problem and getting over the Kingston Bridge was a breeze :angel:

britain
10-07-2011, 07:10
Just seen this thread.

I never missed a home game from August 77 through to November 1990.

Attendances were low in early 80's purely as a result of the team being crap.

Each season would start with anticipation and reasonably high crowds but, as was always the case, a few bad results, and the realisation that we would struggle once again, saw the crowds drop off dramatically.

As was normal then 2 or 3 home games could be postponed in a season due to bad weather and were always rearranged for a midweek date at the tail end of the season - by then the team were well out of contention and the rearranged matches struggled to get gates above 8000 and therefore had a serious affect on our average home attendance.

The one up-side was that parking the car was not a problem and getting over the Kingston Bridge was a breeze :angel:

Good summary.

c_den
10-07-2011, 08:44
Rangers fans were on complete downers that day.

Only perked up a week later when we beat the beadrattlers 3-2 in the Glasgow cup final at Ibrox. Friday night game.



Since Ibrox was rebuilt - Was this game the first time the bears got the West enclosure against the scum ?

Cheers in advance

ardencraig
10-07-2011, 16:45
Since Ibrox was rebuilt - Was this game the first time the bears got the West enclosure against the scum ?

Cheers in advance

dont think we had the west that night mate,i think it might have been around the early 90s before we took it from them,they were certainly in the west ,the day we humped them 5-1 in 1988

britain
11-07-2011, 06:15
dont think we had the west that night mate,i think it might have been around the early 90s before we took it from them,they were certainly in the west ,the day we humped them 5-1 in 1988

And very quiet they were too:D:D:D:D:D

Daddy_Bear07
11-07-2011, 09:24
dont think we had the west that night mate,i think it might have been around the early 90s before we took it from them,they were certainly in the west ,the day we humped them 5-1 in 1988

We had the West Enclosure for the Mojo game. That would be 1989.