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SCREEBS
09-11-2007, 12:42
Updated as at 10/3/11 to include tonight's draw v PSV

Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed more than any other Scottish club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

More points this season
More points over last 2 seasons cumulative
More points over last 3 seasons cumulative
More points over last 4 seasons cumulative
More points over last 5 seasons cumulative
More points over last 6 seasons cumulative
More points over last 7 seasons cumulative
More points over last 8 seasons cumulative
More points over last 10 seasons cumulative
More points over last 11 seasons cumulative
More points over last 12 seasons cumulative
More points over last 13 seasons cumulative
More points over last 14 seasons cumulative
More points over last 15 seasons cumulative
More points over last 16 seasons cumulative
More points over last 17 seasons cumulative
More points over last 18 seasons cumulative
More points since the CL began cumulative 19 seasons ago

From the inaugural season of the CL right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18, 2
93/94 2, 5
94/95 0, 0
95/96 7, 4
96/97 7, 3
97/98 5, 8
98/99 10.5, 7.5
99/00 11, 6
00/01 12.5, 5
01/02 11.5, 10
02/03 2, 22
03/04 5.5, 17
04/05 6.5, 7
05/06 14, 1
06/07 13, 11
07/08 23.5, 11
08/09 0.5, 7
09/10 6, 6
10/11 12 2

Totals 167.5 134.5


If you look at each season individually, we have accumulated more co-efficient points on 11 of the 19 seasons, beggars 6 and 2 draws.

If you want to look at the 15 rolling 5 year periods since the CL began, then we outperform Celtic in co-efficient points in 10 of the 15 rolling 5 year periods.

You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS

PS A win v PSV at Ibrox will also see us overtake them on a cumulative basis for last 9 seasons - a draw would see us equal their 9 season total. This is the final piece in the jigsaw of our domination of Scotland's co-efficient.

bilkobear
09-11-2007, 12:58
Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed much much more than any other club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

From the inaugural season of the Cl right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18 2
93/94 2 5
94/95 0 0
95/96 7 4
96/97 7 3
97/98 5 8
98/99 10.5 7.5
99/00 11 6
00/01 12.5 5
01/02 11.5 6
02/03 2 22
03/04 5.5 17
04/05 6.5 7
05/06 14 1
06/07 13 11
07/08 (at 9/11) 11.5 8

Totals 136 116.5

Last 5 years - 50.5 44
Last 10 years - 97 94.5
Last 15 years - 118 114.5

You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS

Great post.
However this type of research is mostly beyond the nous of the Scottish Mhedia.
Stat's are only interesting when they 'big up' 'Ra Sellick'.

So your efforts will be completely ignored.

If you had found a stat' that proved Rangers had suffered more arrests abroad over the same period, it would be a headline in every Scottish rag by the morning.

Great country Scotland. :angel:

Kensington Blue Nose
09-11-2007, 13:20
That is a fascinating read and good to see.

coocaddens
09-11-2007, 13:35
Good post i make it that of the 16 seasons we have achieved a better co efficient score in 10 of the 16 seasons - timmy 5 and one equal.

Manticore
09-11-2007, 13:41
Bigotted facts.

SCREEBS
09-11-2007, 14:22
Bigotted facts.

Well Bert Kassies is Dutch right enough!

SCREEBS

Thornliebank_Bear
09-11-2007, 14:27
Is true, if you read or listen to the press in scotland, you would think that celtic have played more CL football and had the better results.

If i was ewan cameron i would say though that "we aww went to suvill and that was mare better than any other european game".

rst99
09-11-2007, 14:53
Well done mate. Very interesting post.

SCREEBS
19-02-2008, 12:45
now updated as per this morning.

SCREEBS

TigerShaw
19-02-2008, 13:36
screebs - could you give me a link to that please? :D:D:D

The_Gub
19-02-2008, 13:38
All I see is failure.

SCREEBS
19-02-2008, 13:38
screebs - could you give me a link to that please? :D:D:D

A link to Bert's site? ;)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/

Haven't looked at the thread, but take this is down as a common FF question!

SCREEBS

HMS.Temple.Garden
19-02-2008, 13:39
Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed much much more than any other club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

From the inaugural season of the Cl right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18 2
93/94 2 5
94/95 0 0
95/96 7 4
96/97 7 3
97/98 5 8
98/99 10.5 7.5
99/00 11 6
00/01 12.5 5
01/02 11.5 6
02/03 2 22
03/04 5.5 17
04/05 6.5 7
05/06 14 1
06/07 13 11
07/08 (at 9/11) 12.5 11

Totals 137 119.5

Last 5 years - 51.5 47
Last 10 years - 98 97.5
Last 15 years - 118 117.5

(now updated to 19/2/08 at 11.55am)

You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS


since when did the media investigate the facts?

D4RN-L
19-02-2008, 13:42
But they took 500,000 to suvul!

buster
19-02-2008, 13:43
All I see is failure.
For a club like ours we have underachieved in europe in a big way.

Thing is we have never really learnt from our mistakes, some of them the most basic things you can imagine that surely could have been worked on.

First touch, movement, retaining possession are 3 of many.

craigy
19-02-2008, 13:44
Wonder if there is any point chucking this across to some of the media via email or post??

SCREEBS
19-02-2008, 13:46
All I see is failure.

Alas marginally less failure than the beggars! ;) and contrary to the media "norm" that our co-efficient is mainly down to the Beggar's Champions League participation over the last few years.

SCREEBS

buster
19-02-2008, 13:46
Wonder if there is any point chucking this across to some of the media via email or post??
They read it anyway.

FF has always been a big source of press articles.

TigerShaw
19-02-2008, 13:47
cheers Screebs - yes I posted without thinking, sorry - I can only nick on in my lunchbreak and wanted to compose a quick email to an acquaintance ;)

gourockblue50
19-02-2008, 14:01
Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed much much more than any other club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

From the inaugural season of the Cl right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18 2
93/94 2 5
94/95 0 0
95/96 7 4
96/97 7 3
97/98 5 8
98/99 10.5 7.5
99/00 11 6
00/01 12.5 5
01/02 11.5 6
02/03 2 22
03/04 5.5 17
04/05 6.5 7
05/06 14 1
06/07 13 11
07/08 (at 9/11) 12.5 11

Totals 137 119.5

Last 5 years - 51.5 47
Last 10 years - 98 97.5
Last 15 years - 118 117.5

(now updated to 19/2/08 at 11.55am)

You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS

Send this to Leggo. He will print it.:D

TigerShaw
19-02-2008, 14:05
Is it just me, or do the totals not come to 138 and 115.5.

Am i having a blonde moment? :eek:

REMEMBER THE WINK
19-02-2008, 14:39
Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed much much more than any other club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

From the inaugural season of the Cl right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18 2
93/94 2 5
94/95 0 0
95/96 7 4
96/97 7 3
97/98 5 8
98/99 10.5 7.5
99/00 11 6
00/01 12.5 5
01/02 11.5 6
02/03 2 22
03/04 5.5 17
04/05 6.5 7
05/06 14 1
06/07 13 11
07/08 (at 9/11) 12.5 11

Totals 137 119.5

Last 5 years - 51.5 47
Last 10 years - 98 97.5
Last 15 years - 118 117.5

(now updated to 19/2/08 at 11.55am)

You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS
Good work Screebs.

niperooonietrueblue
19-02-2008, 14:45
Great post Screebs, very intresting.

casey jones
19-02-2008, 15:08
Is it just me, or do the totals not come to 138 and 115.5.

Am i having a blonde moment? :eek:

That's what I make it too.

SCREEBS
19-02-2008, 15:18
That's what I make it too.

now fixed on Original thread. :o Beggars had 10 points for 01/02 and i had typed 6. 119.5 is therefore correct.

SCREEBS

SCREEBS
21-02-2008, 21:40
Updated to include the Beggars humping last night and our draw tonight!

SCREEBS

SCREEBS
07-03-2008, 10:15
now updated after Bremen result last night!

Lucky_Duck
13-03-2008, 23:37
Do your work Screebs;):D:D

SCREEBS
13-03-2008, 23:57
Do your work Screebs;):D:D

Give me a chance to get home from bremen first will you!

I will update tomorrow when back in blighty!

Screebs

SCREEBS
14-03-2008, 10:46
Do your work Screebs;):D:D

Done! :roll:

SCREEBS

SCREEBS
04-04-2008, 09:50
Updated after last night v Sporting at Ibrox

SCREEBS
11-04-2008, 10:05
updated after last night - makes sweet reading!

SCREEBS
25-04-2008, 11:20
Updated after last night's co-efficient point achieved v Fiorentian at Ibrox.

SCREEBS

Earl of Leven
25-04-2008, 11:23
Facts are pure bigoted man. In Ireland they didn't have facts cause de nasty Prods stole them, thinking they were potatoes.

RFC_Sooty
25-04-2008, 11:32
Have we not also broke into the top 10 co-efficient places for this season are now number 24 in the overall list?.

SCREEBS
25-04-2008, 14:32
Have we not also broke into the top 10 co-efficient places for this season are now number 24 in the overall list?.

Yes, we're 10th for the season in co-efficient points - with beggars a staggering 27 places behind us!

On the Team Ranking (based on 5 years of co-efficient points) we're currently 24th overall, 18 places ahead of the beggars!

SCREEBS

Le Gaffer
25-04-2008, 14:46
Have we not also broke into the top 10 co-efficient places for this season are now number 24 in the overall list?.

Our 2 furthest away years are also pretty poor totals compared to the last 3 so another couple of decent seasons and we will be VERY well placed when it comes to draws for group stages

electric_ian
25-04-2008, 14:57
They are only 3 teams who have gave more points than us to their country this season. Man U, Barca and Liverpool

sinky
25-04-2008, 15:31
They are only 3 teams who have gave more points than us to their country this season. Man U, Barca and Liverpool

eh, and Chelsea, Arsenal, Bayern, Getafe & Fiorentina.
Not sure what you were looking up.

For 2007/2008 in isolation we have earned 17 points and have a coefficient of 20.135. This puts us 15th for this season.

edit... oops my browser had an old page in cache. you are correct. :o

SCREEBS
02-05-2008, 10:35
Obligatory update - it's tradition you know!

SCREEBS

sinky
02-05-2008, 10:53
When Celtc got knocked out they were ranked 45th. Thanks to Rangers they are now 41st and when we win the UEFA cup they will move up to 39th !!!

Will we get any thanks ?
Not a f..kn chance.

SCREEBS
02-05-2008, 11:07
When Celtc got knocked out they were ranked 45th. Thanks to Rangers they are now 41st and when we win the UEFA cup they will move up to 39th !!!

Will we get any thanks ?
Not a f..kn chance.

Us and us alone are responsible from them moving from provisional pot 4 to pot 3 over the last month or two - i expect the thank you card from Liewell got lost in the post!

SCREEBS

SCREEBS
26-11-2008, 12:35
updated now

Invicta_Loyal04
26-11-2008, 12:53
A fantastic post. Very interesting.

SCREEBS
26-11-2008, 14:33
A fantastic post. Very interesting.

Watch yersel - you'll get accused of being at Statto (like me!) :eek:

SCREEBS
30-07-2009, 22:16
i should really update this to include this season as well - we've already earned more points than them and we haven't kicked a ball yet!

Craigieboy
30-07-2009, 22:21
Bookmarked to send to tims at work tomorrow, cheers Screebs

DuncanMcA
30-07-2009, 22:24
The co-efficient is only ever used as a justification for calling US bigots for celebrating them going out of Europe, never the other way around.

47blue
30-07-2009, 22:26
Updated as at 26/11/08!

Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed more than any other Scottish club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

More points over last 2 seasons cumulative
More points over last 3 seasons cumulative
More points over last 4 seasons cumulative
More points over last 5 seasons cumulative
More points over last 6 seasons cumulative
More points over last 10 seasons cumulative
More points over last 11 seasons cumulative
More points over last 12 seasons cumulative
More points over last 13 seasons cumulative
More points over last 14 seasons cumulative
More points over last 15 seasons cumulative
More points over last 16 seasons cumulative
More points since the CL began cumulative

From the inaugural season of the Cl right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18, 2
93/94 2, 5
94/95 0, 0
95/96 7, 4
96/97 7, 3
97/98 5, 8
98/99 10.5, 7.5
99/00 11, 6
00/01 12.5, 5
01/02 11.5, 10
02/03 2, 22
03/04 5.5, 17
04/05 6.5, 7
05/06 14, 1
06/07 13, 11
07/08 23.775, 11
08/09 0.275 5.275

Totals 149.275 124.775

Last 5 years - 57.275, 35.275
Last 10 years - 99.775, 95.275
Last 15 years - 129.275, 117.775


You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS

Brilliant stuff,I have always argued its best for us & us only to keep up the co-efficient. The rest of scottish football couldn't do enough to stop our UEFA Cup final chances,so I can only laugh at their demise:):)

SCREEBS
30-07-2009, 22:28
Bookmarked to send to tims at work tomorrow, cheers Screebs

Craigieboy - let me check the numbers first thing tomorrow morning, i just quickly added on this season. my spreadsheet showing all the co-efficient stuff isn't on my home pc, so i will just make sure i've updated it accurately then.

Ie i need to check the cumulative season by season impact

nelster
30-07-2009, 22:35
Great effort screebs, well impressed.

Could you actually add the total Scottish Co-Efficient as another column ?

SCREEBS
31-07-2009, 09:07
Craigieboy - let me check the numbers first thing tomorrow morning, i just quickly added on this season. my spreadsheet showing all the co-efficient stuff isn't on my home pc, so i will just make sure i've updated it accurately then.

Ie i need to check the cumulative season by season impact


Now checked and ready to go!

Daddy_Bear07
31-07-2009, 09:12
One of my main gripes over the years is this. Rangers have been the main stay for Scottish football for many years now yet in our mhedia you would think that it is ourselves thats the problem. Even the headlines from Wednesday would have slaughtered Rangers for losing at home to a run of the mill Russian side yet for them its just hard luck stories.

SCREEBS
31-07-2009, 09:15
Great effort screebs, well impressed.

Could you actually add the total Scottish Co-Efficient as another column ?

I could mate - can't access Bert Kassies site at work. It will need to be a weekend task if i can find the time. ;)

rayrangers
31-07-2009, 09:23
I could mate - can't access Bert Kassies site at work. It will need to be a weekend task if i can find the time. ;)

What do we need to happen to ensure Guaranteed qualification to the group stages for the SPL winners next season?

ringobingo
31-07-2009, 09:30
What do we need to happen to ensure Guaranteed qualification to the group stages for the SPL winners next season?

I'm fairly certain that automatic qualification is decided based on points as at the year before last.

So points for 10/11 are based up to 08/09 - that way everyone knows what they've got to play for 08/09.

However, for seedings etc 10/11 points will be included up to 09/10.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

thewoodcutterson
31-07-2009, 09:33
I could mate - can't access Bert Kassies site at work. It will need to be a weekend task if i can find the time. ;)

You have plenty of time....you dont do anything else aboot the hoose!

Laudrup1
31-07-2009, 09:34
What do we need to happen to ensure Guaranteed qualification to the group stages for the SPL winners next season?

There is nothing we can do about it now. It was all settled at the end of Euro competition in the 08/09 season.

Unless you mean next season as in 10/11 as we're technically in season 09/10 just now.

There's nothing you can do to guarantee is as such as it depends on how every other country fairs too.

Us getting to the last 16 and Celtic making Europa Groups and getting a couple of rounds further in that competition will be good enough to hold our position in roughly the 10-13 slots I reckon.

SCREEBS
31-07-2009, 10:11
You have plenty of time....you dont do anything else aboot the hoose!

I wasn't meaning about the hoose, i was trying to fit it in with the golf and cycling! >:)

SCREEBS
28-08-2009, 20:22
Now updated after Celtic's defeat at he hands of Arsenal at the Emirates.

BB72
28-08-2009, 20:38
Send this to Leggo. He will print it.:D

where is the leggo man these days

SCREEBS
28-08-2009, 20:42
Maybe Leggo was just David Murray's alter ego - you never see the pair of them together right enough!

M A R T I N
28-08-2009, 20:51
Great Work Screebs

SCREEBS
28-08-2009, 21:50
Great Work Screebs

I aim to please - a bit like Michelle McManus I suppose!>:) (you must regret ever mentioning that on here)

SCREEBS
01-10-2009, 11:22
updated to 30/9/09 to include Sevilla match

Stuart_WATP
01-10-2009, 11:25
And how do we get treated in Scotland for this? Take a look at the UEFA Cup final season to see...

SCREEBS
02-10-2009, 11:37
Updated after Beggars v Rapid

BigSteve
02-10-2009, 11:41
Good research again. Difficult to argue with the facts.

SCREEBS
02-10-2009, 11:48
Good research again. Difficult to argue with the facts.

I'll be getting the reputation of being a statto! :ninja:

BigSteve
02-10-2009, 11:53
Getting? :p

SCREEBS
02-10-2009, 11:54
Getting? :p

I like a good "fact based" argument! - makes a change from some of the myths and half truths passed off as fact on here! :p

BigSteve
03-10-2009, 01:01
I like a good "fact based" argument! - makes a change from some of the myths and half truths passed off as fact on here! :p

Hope you're not pointing any fingers. :o

SCREEBS
03-10-2009, 09:49
Hope you're not pointing any fingers. :o

Not at all.

bigjohn1988
03-10-2009, 11:02
thats a great post!

the media would have u believe that celtic were the real point earners in the scottish game

SCREEBS
29-10-2009, 22:58
Still up to date after Unirea and HSV matches

SCREEBS
24-08-2010, 13:04
dusted down and updated after beggars v Utrecht first leg

Rustledust
24-08-2010, 13:13
We really need to do well in Europe this season, for our own sake as well as Scotland's. 14 points minimum.

YorkshireBlue
24-08-2010, 13:14
Nice work SCREEBS.

I had a tarrier on another forum trying to say celtc do it all by themselves every year and we only got into the CL because they reached the last 16 twice :roll:

These stone cold facts blow that bheggar theory right out of the water :D

SCREEBS
24-08-2010, 13:15
Nice work SCREEBS.

I had a tarrier on another forum trying to say celtc do it all by themselves every year and we only got into the CL because they reached the last 16 twice :roll:

These stone cold facts blow that bheggar theory right out of the water :D

Beggars and facts = oil and water! :)

brobert99
24-08-2010, 13:25
I know it is highly unlikely, but if I am reading that page right, does that mean if Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit and Spurs all get knocked out this week, we would be in pot 2!? :eek:

SCREEBS
24-08-2010, 13:28
I know it is highly unlikely, but if I am reading that page right, does that mean if Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit and Spurs all get knocked out this week, we would be in pot 2!? :eek:

Aye - bloody long shot though!;)

JobearGer
24-08-2010, 13:35
Nice work SCREEBS.

I had a tarrier on another forum trying to say celtc do it all by themselves every year and we only got into the CL because they reached the last 16 twice :roll:

These stone cold facts blow that bheggar theory right out of the water :D

Send the Scumbag a copy of the FACTS YB, that will shut him up for a while, at least until he can concoct more lies:):)

Laudrup1
24-08-2010, 13:45
Aye - bloody long shot though!;)

Given the scores in the first legs, it's not impossible but it'd be worth sticking an accumultor on if it was to happen.

Sevilla had a bad result as did Spurs but they could both overturn them. Zenit only have a 1-0 goal lead to take away from home and Bremen lost an away goal.

It's a long shot but would be funny if it happened.

SCREEBS
24-08-2010, 17:39
Given the scores in the first legs, it's not impossible but it'd be worth sticking an accumultor on if it was to happen.

Sevilla had a bad result as did Spurs but they could both overturn them. Zenit only have a 1-0 goal lead to take away from home and Bremen lost an away goal.

It's a long shot but would be funny if it happened.

what odds? any idea?

cambridgeblue
24-08-2010, 17:43
Given the scores in the first legs, it's not impossible but it'd be worth sticking an accumultor on if it was to happen.

Sevilla had a bad result as did Spurs but they could both overturn them. Zenit only have a 1-0 goal lead to take away from home and Bremen lost an away goal.

It's a long shot but would be funny if it happened.

We only need 3 out of 4 to go out.

Can't see Spurs not going through now :(

sinko
24-08-2010, 17:46
The last two years have been diabolical though and destroyed our two CL places (plus the guaranteed entry).

theknight
24-08-2010, 17:46
Another couple of years and we'll lose the Manchetser points, then we'll be screwed.

cambridgeblue
24-08-2010, 18:02
3 years and we'll lose the Kaunas result - then we'll be back ;)

sinko
24-08-2010, 18:07
3 years and we'll lose the Kaunas result - then we'll be back ;)

Yeah, because last year's points total was so good, eh?

giffnockbear
24-08-2010, 23:01
Yeah, because last year's points total was so good, eh?

We've gotta surely do better this year, FFS. The Mhanks record in the CL is much better than ours, which came as a big surprise to me when I checked.

The win record of Scottish managers in the CL is as follows....

Chesney...18 matches - 7 wins. Yet they hated him - even though he got them to the last 16 twice. :confused:

Wibble....18 matches - 6 wins

Walter....30 matches - 5 wins

Wee Dick...12 matches - 4 wins

Big Eck...12 matches - 2 wins


Overall

Mhanks have played 36 matches W13 D5 L18 = 36.1%
We have played 54 matches W11 D18 L25 = 20.3%

Still, we must remember.......................

Statistics are just like mini-skirts, they give you good ideas but hide the most important thing.

Ebbe Skovdahl loyal!

:D

SCREEBS
26-08-2010, 22:45
It's down to us again.

cambridgeblue
16-09-2010, 15:59
Bumpity bump

The bad news is that our score this year is divided by 5

So each point we earn only adds 0.2 to the co-efficient :(

Motherwell did contribute a bit I guess..

Cup qW qD qL #W #D #L Bonus Points Average
24 Scotland 5 teams
5 2 7 0 1 0 4 11.0 2.200
23 Glasgow Rangers CL 0 0 0 0 1 0 4 5.0 not out
61 Motherwell EL 3 1 2 0 0 0 0 3.5
101 Celtic EL 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 2.0
166 Dundee United EL 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0.5
201 Hibernian EL 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0.0

Jelle1880
16-09-2010, 16:01
Always at the forefront of Scottish football, and always will be.

mdnl
16-09-2010, 16:11
Always at the forefront of Scottish football, and always will be.

I just wish we weren't though, this season more than most we needed the diddy teams like celtc to make the diddy cup and get the countries co-ef back up where it needs to be.

The other diddy teams like Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen have been dragging our co-efficient points down for years now, they need to get their act together.

cambridgeblue
16-09-2010, 16:29
I just wish we weren't though, this season more than most we needed the diddy teams like celtc to make the diddy cup and get the countries co-ef back up where it needs to be.

The other diddy teams like Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen have been dragging our co-efficient points down for years now, they need to get their act together.

I assume that next year as well as losing automatic CL place we also lose a spot in the UEFA cup - that will probably help the coefficient in the longer term.

Celtic going out whilst funny is not good for the coefficient :ninja:

SCREEBS
30-09-2010, 08:47
updated after Bursaspor last night - we're also now closing the cumulative gap over 9 and 10 seasons with us only 2.725 and 1.225 points behind the beggars respectively.

Laudrup1
30-09-2010, 09:56
I assume that next year as well as losing automatic CL place we also lose a spot in the UEFA cup - that will probably help the coefficient in the longer term.

Celtic going out whilst funny is not good for the coefficient :ninja:

funnily enough with Switzerland suffering a similar thing to Scotland (ie they had a good couple of years and then got an extra two places, which we used up by teams not good enough) and they're gonna drop a place or two next year so if we (Rangers) maintain a decent run this year, the SPL could well get it's automatic place back for the winners of next seasons SPL.

It'll disappear for sure the year after that though as our Manchester year comes off.

We'll need to take the hit for a couple of seasons and lose the extra places we gained for doing well to get the average up again.

For all the mumping and moaning about it, all the countries around our "level" rotate in this way between places 15-20 odds.

As soon as we drop, someone else will start suffering like us or Switzerland in our place and we'll be back in a few years again.

For Scotland to be ranked 15th is a sensational placing (when you look at the countries above us) and it can't be maintained ALL the time.

cochise
30-09-2010, 13:34
Screebs you have a PM.

ayr__loyal
30-09-2010, 13:44
We're Brilliant :D

craigy
30-09-2010, 15:21
Well done mate

Popbear
30-09-2010, 15:24
great post and well done the champions for dragging the scottish game out of the mire:);)

craigyknows
30-09-2010, 15:34
It would be interesting to see what the combined total of the rest of the dross comes to. I'm just wondering if its not that much (can't see how it would be) then the correct way of describing our contribution is that we have contributed more than the rest of Scottish football combined.

Just a thought.

bkkbear
30-09-2010, 15:38
For Scotland to be ranked 15th is a sensational placing (when you look at the countries above us) and it can't be maintained ALL the time.

forgetting about us and celtc, the performances of the other spl teams have ben shocking over that period. aberdeen qualifying once out the group stages and maybe 5 (?) wins between hibs, d utd and hearts between them.

the cup finals werent that clever for us either sending all those really diddy teams like gretna into europe - but its the romance thats so great isnt it, stuff the co efficient.

then suddenly the co efficient goes down and all the journos can do is blame the old firm - fuds

cambridgeblue
30-09-2010, 15:45
There is an argument that if we had done less well previously then the dross would not have qualified and would not be dragging down our co-efficient.

Best situ would be "just" us and the Scum qualifying for Europe and having a good season or 3.

Then coef pts / just 2 would rocket.

SCREEBS
30-09-2010, 15:49
i have slightly amended the original post as since 2007/08 i had included the small country kickback in both ours and Celtic's points - makes very little difference overall but at least it is all on the same basis now. (thanks cochise)

SCREEBS
21-10-2010, 10:18
updated after Valencia last night - anymore points this season and we'll overtake them for last 3 years cumulative also!

britain
21-10-2010, 13:01
Wee bump !

SCREEBS
07-12-2010, 23:02
updated after tonight's game v Bursaspor away

botanicgardensloyal
07-12-2010, 23:23
Great statistics. Also shows up the paranoia/conspiracy lie.

Surely if we were only ever successful due to sfa/referee bias we would be shown up when we compete in Europe. The beggars would surely do better.

As usual the facts show over the piece we do better by having a consistently better team.

ian-rfc
07-12-2010, 23:31
Updated as at 7/12/10 to include tonight's draw v Bursaspor

Much like the Life of Brian sketch - Rangers have contributed more than any other Scottish club to the Uefa CL country co-efficient.

More points this season
More points over last 2 seasons cumulative
More points over last 3 seasons cumulative
More points over last 4 seasons cumulative
More points over last 5 seasons cumulative
More points over last 6 seasons cumulative
More points over last 7 seasons cumulative
More points over last 8 seasons cumulative
More points over last 11 seasons cumulative
More points over last 12 seasons cumulative
More points over last 13 seasons cumulative
More points over last 14 seasons cumulative
More points over last 15 seasons cumulative
More points over last 16 seasons cumulative
More points over last 17 seasons cumulative
More points over last 18 seasons cumulative
More points since the CL began cumulative 19 seasons ago

From the inaugural season of the CL right up until today, the points per season by club taken into account in calculating the overall country co-efficient (courtesy of Bert Kassies site) are shown below:

Year Rangers Beggars
92/93 18, 2
93/94 2, 5
94/95 0, 0
95/96 7, 4
96/97 7, 3
97/98 5, 8
98/99 10.5, 7.5
99/00 11, 6
00/01 12.5, 5
01/02 11.5, 10
02/03 2, 22
03/04 5.5, 17
04/05 6.5, 7
05/06 14, 1
06/07 13, 11
07/08 23.5, 11
08/09 0.5, 7
09/10 6, 6
10/11 9 2

Totals 164.5 134.5


If you look at each season individually, we have accumulated more co-efficient points on 11 of the 19 seasons, beggars 6 and 2 draws.

You wouldn't know that from the media now would you?

SCREEBS

KDS facts:

Estadio nacional
7 Dec 2010, 10:37 PM

One of the worst teams in champions league history rest 10 players and get their first CL point against the huns.

Smith in his 10th season with them still cannot get as many CL wins as Gordon Strachan got in his 4 years with Celtic.

Smiths overall record P-35, W-6, D-12, L-17, For no many, Against hunners.

Win rate 16%

Tactical genius.

:lol:

Does anyone know the actual stats for goals scored & goals against?

Thats getting texted to all the Huns i know :lol: :thumbsup: :D

Cooperfan
07-12-2010, 23:34
Great statistics. Also shows up the paranoia/conspiracy lie.

Surely if we were only ever successful due to sfa/referee bias we would be shown up when we compete in Europe. The beggars would surely do better.

As usual the facts show over the piece we do better by having a consistently better team.
That is a good point.

SCREEBS
07-12-2010, 23:40
Great statistics. Also shows up the paranoia/conspiracy lie.

Surely if we were only ever successful due to sfa/referee bias we would be shown up when we compete in Europe. The beggars would surely do better.

As usual the facts show over the piece we do better by having a consistently better team.

Cheers - good point re the refs btw.

SCREEBS
07-12-2010, 23:44
KDS facts:

Estadio nacional
7 Dec 2010, 10:37 PM

One of the worst teams in champions league history rest 10 players and get their first CL point against the huns.

Smith in his 10th season with them still cannot get as many CL wins as Gordon Strachan got in his 4 years with Celtic.

Smiths overall record P-35, W-6, D-12, L-17, For no many, Against hunners.

Win rate 16%

Tactical genius.

:lol:

Does anyone know the actual stats for goals scored & goals against?

Thats getting texted to all the Huns i know :lol: :thumbsup: :D

If taken at face value that looks shocking, and we have underperformed in Europe by in large, but it takes no account of the fact that when we won leagues in the early under Smith we still had to qualify for the CL (no direct entry) and it was Champions only (not 3/4 teams from one country) for many of those early years.

Cooperfan
08-12-2010, 00:03
If taken at face value that looks shocking, and we have underperformed in Europe by in large, but it takes no account of the fact that when we won leagues in the early under Smith we still had to qualify for the CL (no direct entry) and it was Champions only (not 3/4 teams from one country) for many of those early years.
They go on about Strapon, who did have a good record, so why then where they so desperate to see the back of him?

They got the RC/Celtic-minded managers they wanted so what's their problem?

WA Blue
08-12-2010, 00:32
But they took 500,000 to suvul!

I thought it was a mullion! :ninja:

And according to the "Press" we only took 280,000, no wait it's dropping every time I see it, what is it now, 100,000 to Manchester? :mad:

SCREEBS
08-12-2010, 18:47
At least we'll get the chance to add to our co-efficient come next February.

SCREEBS
18-02-2011, 00:33
updated as at 17/2 to include Sporting

cambridgeblue
18-02-2011, 10:42
Important that we get through to the next round - looks likely the swiss will jump over us but we can catch the Romanians with er 5 more wins :(

13 Belgium 4.700 4.500 4.500 8.700 4.600 27.000 1/ 5
14 Romania 11.333 2.600 2.642 6.083 3.166 25.824 6
15 Scotland 6.750 10.250 1.875 2.666 3.200 24.741 1/ 5
16 Switzerland 4.100 6.250 2.900 5.750 5.700 24.700 2/ 5

rangeral
18-02-2011, 18:53
Important that we get through to the next round - looks likely the swiss will jump over us but we can catch the Romanians with er 5 more wins :(

13 Belgium 4.700 4.500 4.500 8.700 4.600 27.000 1/ 5
14 Romania 11.333 2.600 2.642 6.083 3.166 25.824 6
15 Scotland 6.750 10.250 1.875 2.666 3.200 24.741 1/ 5
16 Switzerland 4.100 6.250 2.900 5.750 5.700 24.700 2/ 5

Depends Spartak Moscow came from 2 goals down to win 3-2 against Basel last night while Youngs Boys scored a last minute winner against Zenit to win 2-1.

If both Russian teams do the business next week at home then not matter what we do in Lisbon means Scotland should have 2 CL places back for 2012-13 season.

The Natural
18-02-2011, 19:08
Doubt we'll ever see this info pointed out in the Scottish media.

sirwatty
18-02-2011, 19:21
Year Rangers Beggars

10/11 25.555 0.000000000000000000000001

AnglianBear
18-02-2011, 20:15
Doubt we'll ever see this info pointed out in the Scottish media.

If someone on the Radio Scotland panel dared bring it up, Billy Dodds would nip behind them, crouch down, Chick Dung would push said panelist over Dodds and Richard Gordon would throw a pillow over his face before smothering him.

Gordon Smith would then be heard muffling "hmmmphhefficienmmpphhhts" before going off air.

HMS.Temple.Garden
18-02-2011, 20:54
great post and well done the champions for dragging the scottish game out of the mire:);)

its still in the mire sadly.

SCREEBS
25-02-2011, 09:08
Updated v Sporting last night

New York Bear
25-02-2011, 14:52
Posted this in another thread last night but worth repeating here I think.

We are currently in 15th place in the country standings. Without our points, Scotland would be in 22nd place.

If instead you remove Celtic's points and leave ours in, we would be in 17th spot. So only marginally worse off without them :p. Just Do It!!

If you get rid of the dross that is the rest of the SPL and just leave the Rangers and Celtic points in, then we would be in 6th spot.

And finally, if Celtic were just on their own they would be in 10th spot, while the mighty Gers on their own would be in 5th spot.
:):):)

Thornton1873
25-02-2011, 15:32
I thought, judging by todays PAPErs, Aiden McGeady was soley responsible for Scotlands upturn in European fortunes?

ibetudid
25-02-2011, 15:43
I thought, judging by todays PAPErs, Aiden McGeady was soley responsible for Scotlands upturn in European fortunes?

I was just about to say this, saw it on BBC website :eek:

Virgil Hilts
25-02-2011, 17:22
I thought, judging by todays PAPErs, Aiden McGeady was soley responsible for Scotlands upturn in European fortunes?

Absolutely outrageous article...

McGayday gets all the credit whilst Rangers are mentioned as an afterthought

Proof if needed that the Nations broadcaster is riddled with bigoted tarriers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/scot_prem/9407038.stm

pandager1
25-02-2011, 17:29
Motherwell with more co-efficient points than Celtc this season.

Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho. :D

TheBearNeessities
25-02-2011, 17:30
Posted this in another thread last night but worth repeating here I think.

We are currently in 15th place in the country standings. Without our points, Scotland would be in 22nd place.

If instead you remove Celtic's points and leave ours in, we would be in 17th spot. So only marginally worse off without them :p. Just Do It!!

If you get rid of the dross that is the rest of the SPL and just leave the Rangers and Celtic points in, then we would be in 6th spot.

And finally, if Celtic were just on their own they would be in 10th spot, while the mighty Gers on their own would be in 5th spot.
:):):)

thanks for posting that, interesting stuff.

SCREEBS
10-03-2011, 15:15
hopefully updating this tonight with a positive result.

Dougie Gray
10-03-2011, 15:17
hopefully updating this tonight with a positive result.

Fingers and toes crossed big chap. :cool:

SCREEBS
10-03-2011, 15:19
DG

Saw Sparks photos from Lisbon last night - a few belters in there!

SCREEBS
10-03-2011, 22:17
We now have more coefficient points over last 10years now as well.

SCREEBS
11-03-2011, 08:39
Updated to include PSV a

YorkshireBlue
09-04-2011, 08:12
Wee bump.

That's it retarded media hacks, start a needless crusade to get Scotland's premier club kicked out of Europe and see what happens to Scottish football.

So blinkered in their hatred for us that they don't see the damage they cause to our game.