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dhm6
02-08-2016, 11:14
Rumours on Twitter that we are pursuing this one. Agent same as Barton and was sitting with FMcP on Saturday.

Thoughts?

Tagsbear
02-08-2016, 11:15
Started on Rangers rumours, bucket of salt required.

Its-Sebo
02-08-2016, 11:17
Can't believe he's 32. I thought he was only an upcoming youth player when he was at Arsenal.

sregnar
02-08-2016, 11:17
No thanks.

garymack2.0
02-08-2016, 11:17
Wsffuh.....

supergers07
02-08-2016, 11:18
No thanks
Attitude shite

coplandrearl36
02-08-2016, 11:19
I'd rather recall Hardie than sign that lump of wood

Bigmother
02-08-2016, 11:19
Remind us not so ITK people about him.

clubdeckg
02-08-2016, 11:20
Doesn't score for a start

m5rky
02-08-2016, 11:22
Only thing I remember about him at Arsenal was that horrific barnet

ICA_86
02-08-2016, 11:22
Worst haircut in football.

Blue Sea Of Ibrox
02-08-2016, 11:22
Please no. His first touch is horrific for a professional footballer

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 11:23
He's hopeless, absolutely shit.

First touch of Fred West.

superrangers
02-08-2016, 11:25
No thank you. Nothing on any level would be good about this transfer.

Pollok-Loyal
02-08-2016, 11:26
Rumours on Twitter that we are pursuing this one. Agent same as Barton and was sitting with FMcP on Saturday.

Thoughts?

Do yourself a favour and block @RangersRumours.

DavidKing10
02-08-2016, 11:26
NO way for me. The other rumor of Lee Gregory at Millwall would be a better option but would require a fee

Napoleon
02-08-2016, 11:26
Jellybeans confirmed to me we are talking to Chamakh source from within MP.

Same agent as Barton who was with McParland at the Burnley game.

Bigmother
02-08-2016, 11:26
Doesn't score for a start
Just googled him. First and only player in history to score in six consecutive CL matches ! Must have had a problem in recent years.
Isn't this the kind of player that Warbs looks at,someone with ability who has lost their way ?

Albertz Was King
02-08-2016, 11:28
If this is the "sensational" signing :eek:

The boy is pish.

millar brand
02-08-2016, 11:28
Don't think there's anything in this. As someone said, it started on Rangers Rumours which is just made up crap.

making_a_stand
02-08-2016, 11:29
If my memory serves me correctly he scored a record numbers of headed goals for Bordeaux before moving to Arsenal.

Might be an idea to humph it into the box.

MourinhosGhost
02-08-2016, 11:29
15 goals in 100 games.

Oleg_Mcnoleg
02-08-2016, 11:30
Probably nonsense.
He'd walk it if he's fit and his head's straight (and get's a haircut).

Der Berliner
02-08-2016, 11:30
Methinks the Sun or DR tried to have a laugh at us regarding the RvP rumour, and said that we may look at Emile Heskey. I would assume we'll get fun-linked to any ageing striker from now till the end of the transfer window ...

If you want some early ideas, check the list on the right:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marouane-chamakh/profil/spieler/19085

Oosy troosers
02-08-2016, 11:30
Remind us not so ITK people about him.

Nope, I've read this a dozen times and I'm still clueless.

mpayton15277
02-08-2016, 11:32
Who's he with just now and how's he been recently?

garymack2.0
02-08-2016, 11:32
Hes a 1 in 3 striker at the top level

Id take him

Albertz Was King
02-08-2016, 11:32
He does share the agent of Barton and Clint Hill though who appears to be in the good books with McParland.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 11:33
The source is shit, but worrying that other posters have better sources who confirm it...

Napoleon who posted above is a better striker than Chamakh.

Torque87
02-08-2016, 11:33
I'd rather be linked with a centre half.

Napoleon
02-08-2016, 11:34
The source is shit, but worrying that other posters have better sources who confirm it...

Napoleon who posted above is a better striker than Chamakh.

I'd score for fun up here.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 11:34
332 games and 71 goals since making debut for Bordeaux.

1 in 5, and not 1 in 3....

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 11:35
I'd score for fun up here.

With the ladeez and with the football...

It's the shorn scrotum and the cheeky wee face.

wishawcrossblue
02-08-2016, 11:36
I'd score for fun up here.

Your bros a better player though.

garymack2.0
02-08-2016, 11:36
Apologies miscalculated

Napoleon
02-08-2016, 11:37
With the ladeez and with the football...

It's the shorn scrotum and the cheeky wee face.

Bangin holes and scorin goals.


Your bros a better player though.

Complete myth.

He has the same PR company as Emile Heskey.

MourinhosGhost
02-08-2016, 11:37
Probably nonsense.
He'd walk it if he's fit and his head's straight (and get's a haircut).

what on earth would give you that impression?

he has not been prolific at any of his clubs.

As i said above - 15 goals in 100 games. he was signed after scoring 50 odd goals in over 200 games for bordeaux. the guy is ****ing shit.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 11:42
I'd be reasonably happy with this signing.

Reckon he'd score plenty in our team.

wishawcrossblue
02-08-2016, 11:42
Who's he with just now and how's he been recently?

He left Crystal Palace in the summer he is a free agent.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 11:43
Imagine being a fan knowing that yer team needs an out and out striker and this fella shows up.


You'd laugh if not for the tears.

stevethebluenose90
02-08-2016, 11:44
Praying that this is a load of shite, he is fecking awful

Der Berliner
02-08-2016, 11:45
Sidenote, Chamakh's agents is given as Mondial Promotion

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mondial-promotion/beraterfirma/berater/926

No Barton on that list. His agent is given as Willie McKay. (And no, I don't have a clue how true this is.)

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joey-barton/profil/spieler/3292

Chamakh is a freebie these days. And maybe memory deceives me, but for all the games listed, he wasn't a regular starter or first pick at Arsenal, as they had good strikers in abundance. Less than 60 mins per game, on average.

jdilla
02-08-2016, 11:47
I don't mind Chamakh. His goal record is crap but his link up play is excellent. He'd also give us a decent aerial presence

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 11:48
I don't mind Chamakh. His goal record is crap but his link up play is excellent. He'd also give us a decent aerial presence

I completely agree. I also believe he'd score well in the SPL

Mez
02-08-2016, 11:48
A bit of perspective possibly needed.

I understand the trepidation, but the best striker currently in Scotland was shit in the English lower leagues, so being shit for Arsenal and Palace doesn't mean a huge amount relative to how he could perform up here.

If there's any truth in it, then he needs to be given more than zero games to prove whether he'll be any good.

Bigmother
02-08-2016, 11:50
what on earth would give you that impression?

he has not been prolific at any of his clubs.

As i said above - 15 goals in 100 games. he was signed after scoring 50 odd goals in over 200 games for bordeaux. the guy is ****ing shit.
Bit harsh he must have some ability. We're playing at a level he should be comfortable with. How many of our other strikers have played at the level he has ? Are they shit too ? We are where we are and have to shop in a market that would have been unthinkable a few years ago. If we're talking to him then McParland must rate him.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 11:51
Barton and Hill share same agent. Some guy Orr who was at our game at weekend sitting alongside Andrew Dickson who helps broker deals

The Lone Sniper
02-08-2016, 11:55
He'd be rubbish for fun up here.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 11:56
Tore his adductor in March.

garymack2.0
02-08-2016, 11:57
I reckon he could be a decent signing, he links up well and has a good header on him ............

And lets be honest, he wont be up against the john terrys, rio ferdinands or even the Anton fedinands for that matter ,up here

We want a 30 goal a season striker, but right now we dont have the funds by the looks of things

I still reckon our TEAM will score more than anyone else this year

coplandrearl36
02-08-2016, 11:58
We play pass and move in the final third, we rarely cross balls into the box.
Anyway as I said, he's a lump of wood.

footballhead
02-08-2016, 11:58
He's not a goal scorer or a defender so I struggle to see the benefit in this one.

Mez
02-08-2016, 11:59
Waghorn had a goals per game ratio of 1 in every 5.2 matches before he joined us, so it's not exactly indicative of how someone will do up here.

mpayton15277
02-08-2016, 11:59
Tore his adductor in March.

Ouch...?

.

johnnybravo
02-08-2016, 11:59
I don't mind Chamakh. His goal record is crap but his link up play is excellent. He'd also give us a decent aerial presence
Somebody not jumping on the bandwagon. Refreshing.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 12:00
We play pass and move in the final third, we rarely cross balls into the box.
Anyway as I said, he's a lump of wood.

His link up play for Palace in the 2013-14 season was a main reason they finished the season in mid-table and not fighting relegation.

FernandoTorres
02-08-2016, 12:00
He'd be a decent signing.

Would give us a focal point which we lack with Miller and Waghorn at times.

He was very good for Palace, worked very hard and held the ball up well.

He'd probably score a good few goals for us though.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:03
Well I hope the more positive posters are correct...

jellybeans
02-08-2016, 12:04
Had two sources confirm this. Definitely interested.

opersson
02-08-2016, 12:04
Tore his adductor in March.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VeozbEaACD0/URY0Y4_gdvI/AAAAAAAAJmY/1kfO-tdjK0Q/s400/bubbles.gif

jdilla
02-08-2016, 12:05
His link up play for Palace in the 2013-14 season was a main reason they finished the season in mid-table and not fighting relegation.

Arguably their most important player in 14-15 as well. He'll be the first to admit that he isn't your typical striker, but I think his movement would be perfect for Warburton's system. He'd be a huge upgrade on Miller

Honestly don't get where the comments about his attitude come from? If anything he works too hard

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:06
You mean abductor muscle or someone who bundled him into a van?

paul8gascoigne
02-08-2016, 12:07
Would be a decent signing. I'd take him.

Eastender
02-08-2016, 12:08
I think he'd do well with us to be honest.

Getting a lot of stick on this thread but I for one would be happy with thatsigning if it materialises.

coplandrearl36
02-08-2016, 12:08
His link up play for Palace in the 2013-14 season was a main reason they finished the season in mid-table and not fighting relegation.

We don't need a link up player, we need a goal scorer. The season you mention he played 34 games and scored 5. I would put Holt as a better link up player and goal scorer. Even Holt is not going to get a regular start.

The Lone Sniper
02-08-2016, 12:09
Somebody not jumping on the bandwagon. Refreshing.

Seven goals in four seasons at Palace... there's some cause for concern.

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 12:09
He would be a good signing for us. Don't understand all the negativity on this thread.

He's quick, has good movement and is excellent in the air. A different option to anyone we have currently up top.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 12:09
You mean abductor muscle or someone who bundled him into a van?

In the human body, the adductor longus is a skeletal muscle located in the thigh.

ICA_86
02-08-2016, 12:11
Poorer defences, more time to finish - I don't imagine he'd struggle up here.

The other positive is that he can play a bit, link up play is not the worst.

Can't deny he's not been great for Palace, but the idea that we'll saunter down south and sign a regular EPL or Championship scorer is really just a bit stupid.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 12:12
We don't need a link up player, we need a goal scorer. The season you mention he played 34 games and scored 5. I would put Holt as a better link up player and goal scorer. Even Holt is not going to get a regular start.

The highest level Holt has played is League 1 in England. The two are not comparable. There's also goals all over our team which would increased with improve link up. Finally as I've said I believe this lad would score goals in Scotland.

scooter70
02-08-2016, 12:12
No thanks, will demand a decent wage and really isn't what we need

He is actually a laughing stock across football

GodStruth
02-08-2016, 12:12
I'm not a fan, TBH, but if we can get him on reasonable terms and Warbs can get him focused, then it may be a good move.

Alang1988
02-08-2016, 12:13
Hopefully hes sorted his hair out i dont think there is enough wet look gel in glasgow for him

Jaws II
02-08-2016, 12:13
Jeeso i remember saying about 8 years ago saying we should have signed him before Arsenal did.
Might do a job i suppose, even now.

mpayton15277
02-08-2016, 12:14
In the human body, the adductor longus is a skeletal muscle located in the thigh.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if it was a muscle or a side letter.

superally54
02-08-2016, 12:14
He was decent for Palace was he not?

I think he would do well up here.

Brian_Fantana
02-08-2016, 12:18
He'd piss this league tbh.

He was a great player for Bordeaux (although not an out & out goal scorer) but the EPL is just too high a level for him. No shame in that.

jdilla
02-08-2016, 12:18
We don't need a link up player, we need a goal scorer. The season you mention he played 34 games and scored 5. I would put Holt as a better link up player and goal scorer. Even Holt is not going to get a regular start.

Simplistic rubbish. Holt is a midfielder for starters

Our number 9 at least has to be able to play a bit. It's vital to the fluidity of Warburton's system. The idea that we could just sign a poacher and stick him in the box to gobble up all the chances is fanciful, to say the least. More likely would he'd stand there isolated, unable to drop deep or link with the others effectively

Chamakh is a Chamipons League record holder. If we could get and keep him fit then you're looking at a 15-20 goal striker, easy

Disco DeeJay
02-08-2016, 12:18
Man City have just paid £37m for a relatively unproven 20 year old.

Fulham have knocked back £10m for Ross McFeckinCormack, as they value him higher.

And yet people on here think Chamakh is nowhere near good enough for the SPFL. :confused:

Where exactly do your expectations lie and if Ross McFeckinCormack (who can't even get near a pish Scotland team) is valued at £12-£15m, how much will someone good enough to keep the FF Experts happy cost and where will we find the money to not only buy him, but pay huge wages?

ItsInTheNet
02-08-2016, 12:19
Hope we can get him signed up.

broxloyal
02-08-2016, 12:19
The Louden Tavern Retweeted
Monty ‏@JimMontgomery6 5m5 minutes ago

@TheLoudenTavern Marouane Chamakh is at Murray park for talks. Ex arsenal and crystal palace striker

Bill the Butcher
02-08-2016, 12:21
Tore his adductor in March.

Never knew he'd been kidnapped.

The Bridge
02-08-2016, 12:22
A career average of one goal every four games. If he's the answer, I'd love to know the question...

BigDavey64
02-08-2016, 12:24
Watched him at Palace over the last 3 years, his game definitely changed when Pardew took over, prior to that he was lazy and threw himself down at the slightest touch. Overall would he do a job for Rangers then Yes i think he would.

strider
02-08-2016, 12:24
Man City have just paid £37m for a relatively unproven 20 year old.

Fulham have knocked back £10m for Ross McFeckinCormack, as they value him higher.

And yet people on here think Chamakh is nowhere near good enough for the SPFL. :confused:

Where exactly do your expectations lie and if Ross McFeckinCormack (who can't even get near a pish Scotland team) is valued at £12-£15m, how much will someone good enough to keep the FF Experts happy cost and where will we find the money to not only buy him, but pay huge wages?

We do still seem to be unwilling to wait and judge a player on how he does for us, and to understand that the all-round great player is beyond us a little just now.

I reckon people would have been excited if we were bringing back Jelavic. Chamakh has had a better career overall and done more at a higher level, and there's not much of a difference in terms of age. He certainly has the ability to be good for us, so I'd be happy to wait and see if we do bring him in.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 12:25
The Louden Tavern Retweeted
Monty ‏@JimMontgomery6 5m5 minutes ago

@TheLoudenTavern Marouane Chamakh is at Murray park for talks. Ex arsenal and crystal palace striker

That guy just picked the rumour up and added his own spin to it. No more, no less

jackdaniels78
02-08-2016, 12:28
He strikes me as someone who will take the money and go and play in China or somewhere similar

jellybeans
02-08-2016, 12:28
That guy just picked the rumour up and added his own spin to it. No more, no less

You know the info is good..

Geeedubya
02-08-2016, 12:28
Never knew he'd been kidnapped.
Nice one, William.

coplandrearl36
02-08-2016, 12:29
Simplistic rubbish. Holt is a midfielder for starters

Our number 9 at least has to be able to play a bit. It's vital to the fluidity of Warburton's system. The idea that we could just sign a poacher and stick him in the box to gobble up all the chances is fanciful, to say the least. More likely would he'd stand there isolated, unable to drop deep or link with the others effectively

Chamakh is a Chamipons League record holder. If we could get and keep him fit then you're looking at a 15-20 goal striker, easy

Where do I mention poacher, I said goal scorer. 10 goals in 65 games is not great.
He will command a decent wage but if he signs I would not be surprised if he turns out like Beattie or Jeffers.

rez_1873
02-08-2016, 12:29
He's been plagued by injuries for 2 years now.

He'll take weeks to get fit, and even longer for match sharpness.

I'd be very wary of signing him.

kclarkhall
02-08-2016, 12:30
Surely not?

I cannot see any positives in this, sorry.

AyeReady1985
02-08-2016, 12:31
I think he would be a decent signing. Seem to remember us being linked with him when PLG took over however he was way out of our price range at that point. Obviously has enough about him for Arsenal to go in for him. When he played for Palace last year, he seemed to be playing a midfield role if I remember correctly. I think he would add to the team against the defences we will face this season.

oranje-viola
02-08-2016, 12:33
No thanks, will demand a decent wage and really isn't what we need

He is actually a laughing stock across football

This.

I long for us to operate in a manner in which we speculate slightly by taking a punt on an upcoming talent from say, eastern or Central Europe, then a couple years down the line we get a huge payback and more by selling to down south.

This how clubs in the Dutch, Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and even French leagues operate. An example being Rapid Vienna buying Jelavic for about £250k then two years later selling to us for £4m. Ajax, Anderlecht, Basel etc all use this approach.

We only ever seem to be linked with premier league cast offs or league one players. Quite simply we are operating in the wrong markets given the financial disparity.

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 12:33
Simplistic rubbish. Holt is a midfielder for starters

Our number 9 at least has to be able to play a bit. It's vital to the fluidity of Warburton's system. The idea that we could just sign a poacher and stick him in the box to gobble up all the chances is fanciful, to say the least. More likely would he'd stand there isolated, unable to drop deep or link with the others effectively

Chamakh is a Chamipons League record holder. If we could get and keep him fit then you're looking at a 15-20 goal striker, easy

Agreed.

He's a gamble but we are where we are in terms of finance and ability to attract players with better recent form.

My only worries with him would be how long it's going to take him to get up to full speed as he's been injured and not had a preseason I am assuming.

tauntonbear
02-08-2016, 12:34
I'd rather get a decent, commanding Centre Back with pace tbh. Chamakh neither gets the juices flowing nor the ire rising.

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 12:35
This.

I long for us to operate in a manner in which we speculate slightly by taking a punt on an upcoming talent from say, eastern or Central Europe, then a couple years down the line we get a huge payback and more by selling to down south.

This how clubs in the Dutch, Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and even French leagues operate. An example being Rapid Vienna buying Jelavic for about £250k then two years later selling to us for £4m. Ajax, Anderlecht, Basel etc all use this approach.

We only ever seem to be linked with premier league cast offs or league one players. Quite simply we are operating in the wrong markets given the financial disparity.

To find these players it takes a scouting network which has been in place for a number of years. We don't have that. All we have is McParland and his network.

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 12:35
This.

I long for us to operate in a manner in which we speculate slightly by taking a punt on an upcoming talent from say, eastern or Central Europe, then a couple years down the line we get a huge payback and more by selling to down south.

This how clubs in the Dutch, Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and even French leagues operate. An example being Rapid Vienna buying Jelavic for about £250k then two years later selling to us for £4m. Ajax, Anderlecht, Basel etc all use this approach.

We only ever seem to be linked with premier league cast offs or league one players. Quite simply we are operating in the wrong markets given the financial disparity.

the new set up at the club is relatively new
perhaps that will be a future route taken
it will be easier to bring in Unknown Player A with us in the top league than previously

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:35
I assume he is indeed to be a younger Miller...works hard, links play, scores the odd goal, helps with younger players.

He's not prolific at all but he does work hard, hold ball up etc.

Union Jack 1873
02-08-2016, 12:35
He's been plagued by injuries for 2 years now.

He'll take weeks to get fit, and even longer for match sharpness.

I'd be very wary of signing him.

Hes a great player and is worth taking a risk on he would run amok in the SPL

I really cant believe the attitude towards this on here i wouldnt have thought for one minute we would be looking at a player of his calibre

SJP1873
02-08-2016, 12:36
Personally I think he would do well up here, however we need a defender!

In fact I would go as far as to say if we want both a striker and a defender I'd rather we put all the cash into Mariappa to get that deal over the line and go with our current fairly large range of midfield and attacking options.

NRC_Queens11
02-08-2016, 12:37
This is the kind of signing I was fully expecting us to make.

Despite all the fanciful thinking on here, we weren't going to sign an Andre Gray / Championship striker of pedigree as we don't have the money.

If Chamakh comes in at a wage suitable to our budget and plays his part in getting us as close to 55 as we can, it'll be money well spent. Only when European football returns on a regular basis will we see the kind of upgrading of personnel most appear to think we'd be signing this summer...

And even then, we wont be signing top goalscorers from the Championship or EPL.

suramericaranger
02-08-2016, 12:38
I swear there are folk on here who would say they were 'happy' if we were linked with asking Tom Boyd to come out of retirement and sign for us.

oranje-viola
02-08-2016, 12:38
To find these players it takes a scouting network which has been in place for a number of years. We don't have that. All we have is McParland and his network.

Totally understand, maybe I'm just a wee bit underwhelmed at how England-centric his network is.

Chamakh just ticks all the wrong boxes in terms of wages, fitness and longevity / sell on.

However I do think he'd be effective enough up here, and tear Efe to pieces without doubt.

But we have more pressing issues to attend to

Rustledust
02-08-2016, 12:39
Hasn't he been pretty much injured for the past 2 years?

awaiting news
02-08-2016, 12:39
Have to admit I'm a bit underwhelmed by this one though I get the argument that we can't afford a top class striker.

If he is there to hold the ball and to link up then you have to leave the question of who is he linking to in order to score? If McKay keeps his shooting boots and MOH / Dodoo or Waghorn can score from wide right then this could be useful. Windass could also be a factor here having a reputation as a midfield goal scorer. The only question would be whether he is better in this role than Waghorn already is. He's clearly played at a much higher level so could be a step up but isn't the different 'style' of striker I was expecting.

He is at least a bit bigger than most of our current forwards and, from memory, is better in the air? I can see the logic behind it but had hoped for something a bit different.

RinosPaws
02-08-2016, 12:40
I think its becoming clear warburton is working with one hand tied behind his back.

The board have done an excellent job since coming in, however failure to properly back the manager in the market is concerning.

its all well and good King and the board asking the fans to step up to the plate, which we have in massive numbers, but when that is not reciprocated after certain soundbites fans will fast get annoyed - im not advocating going out and spending £5-10m on players, but at least give the manager a chance and deliver on the promises pre taking over and post taking over.

If Warburton wins this league with the resources he has been given, he deserves a knighthood.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:41
He would replace Waghorn/Miller or at least be vying with them for a shirt...

Does that mean we'd expect McKay and say Forrester to weigh in heavily with goals?

Jacrispy
02-08-2016, 12:42
Please **** no :eek:

A striker who can't score isn't what we need

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 12:43
He would replace Waghorn/Miller or at least be vying with them for a shirt...

Does that mean we'd expect McKay and say Forrester to weigh in heavily with goals?

i'm not expecting Kenny to have another season like last one
He'll contribute and his experience, fitness and leadership will be vital
but cannot see him scoring as many

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:43
i'm not expecting Kenny to have another season like last one
He'll contribute and his experience, fitness and leadership will be vital
but cannot see him scoring as many

It's a risk to expect goals from everywhere as your main striker is more a 'hold up player'...

jdilla
02-08-2016, 12:44
I swear there are folk on here who would say they were 'happy' if we were linked with asking Tom Boyd to come out of retirement and sign for us.

Aye? Well there are just as many who would say they were 'unhappy' if we were linked with Robin Van Persie. Oh wait, that literally was the case..

Jacrispy
02-08-2016, 12:45
From Van Persie to Chamakh :eek:

Why is the one you want to be true always bollocks and the one you want to be a rumour always genuine

Union Jack 1873
02-08-2016, 12:45
Please **** no :eek:

A striker who can't score isn't what we need

How many goals did Waghorn or Miller score in the SPL ?
Both of the struggled and the racist at the Scum hut hardly scored a goal in England full stop.

I would be delighted if we signed him and a decent quality CB

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 12:47
Totally understand, maybe I'm just a wee bit underwhelmed at how England-centric his network is.

Chamakh just ticks all the wrong boxes in terms of wages, fitness and longevity / sell on.

However I do think he'd be effective enough up here, and tear Efe to pieces without doubt.

But we have more pressing issues to attend to

I'm sure MW has mentioned previously that they will go with players they know more often than not for the first couple of years as they need to minimise the risk and it's obviously a higher risk bringing in a player from Europe, who's maybe not had experience of British football and their profile as a player is not known to MW as such, in terms of their attitude to training and in the dressing room etc.

He would be a good player for us my only concern would be his fitness as previously mentioned. He's on a similar boat to Kranjcar in that sense but a fully fit and flying Kranjcar and Chamakh we probably wouldn't have been able to attract to us at the moment as they would have had many more suitors so it's probably a risk worth taking for this season imo.

dhm6
02-08-2016, 12:47
We currently have pace, power and technical ability across any mixture of our front 3.

What we lack is an aerial threat and a real penalty area forward (in terms of positioning). Chamakh offers this and has experience at a high level.

IF (and a big IF) we can get him fit, I think this would be a great option.

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 12:48
I think its becoming clear warburton is working with one hand tied behind his back.

The board have done an excellent job since coming in, however failure to properly back the manager in the market is concerning.

its all well and good King and the board asking the fans to step up to the plate, which we have in massive numbers, but when that is not reciprocated after certain soundbites fans will fast get annoyed - im not advocating going out and spending £5-10m on players, but at least give the manager a chance and deliver on the promises pre taking over and post taking over.

If Warburton wins this league with the resources he has been given, he deserves a knighthood.

i don't think its clear at all
I would say that MW wouldn't stay if he thought he was being let down
I think he knows exactly what he has to spend and is trying his best to use that

no european football, no merchandise income and up to now, little prize money have curtailed our finances massively
and the transfer market is a cluster**** now

supergers07
02-08-2016, 12:48
You know the info is good..

correct, no reason not to think otherwise.

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 12:49
He would replace Waghorn/Miller or at least be vying with them for a shirt...

Does that mean we'd expect McKay and say Forrester to weigh in heavily with goals?

Waghorn didn't score many goals before joining us. Chamakh will get 2/3 times the amount of clear cut chances per game for us than he had for the likes of Palace in the EPL. He'll get plenty of chances to stick the ball in the net. He could easily get 20 plus up here imo if he can get fit and I would expect Waghorn and Windass to weigh in with double figures also.

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 12:50
Aye? Well there are just as many who would say they were 'unhappy' if we were linked with Robin Van Persie. Oh wait, that literally was the case..

The biggest drama queens on here are the posters who label anyone else who doesn't tow the party line as a drama queen! :D

NewAmsterdamLive
02-08-2016, 12:53
We currently have pace, power and technical ability across any mixture of our front 3.

What we lack is an aerial threat and a real penalty area forward (in terms of positioning). Chamakh offers this and has experience at a high level.

IF (and a big IF) we can get him fit, I think this would be a great option.
Exactly my thoughts.

I'm reading it as a sign that we will have a Plan B now, as many wished for last season.

Not sure what some people were expecting. Warburton was given his budget and chose to load most of it into wages so he could sign expensive free transfers, ie Barton. It's not a failure to back him at all, it's his own choice. Chamakh fwiw is a good aerial threat, and is still at a good age.

And as for the guy disappointed that we missed out on RVP... 😂😂😂😂

ray mac
02-08-2016, 12:53
Hope he signs, great technical ability, will help McKay progress

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:54
Waghorn didn't score many goals before joining us. Chamakh will get 2/3 times the amount of clear cut chances per game for us than he had for the likes of Palace in the EPL. He'll get plenty of chances to stick the ball in the net. He could easily get 20 plus up here imo if he can get fit and I would expect Waghorn and Windass to weigh in with double figures also.

Waghorn and Chamakh in same team would mean a change in shape maybe...or would Wagorn be wide?

alwaysfirst
02-08-2016, 12:55
Rumours on Twitter that we are pursuing this one. Agent same as Barton and was sitting with FMcP on Saturday.

Thoughts?

That agent not negotiating Flanagan move on loan from Liverpool to Burnley?

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 12:55
Waghorn and Chamakh in same team would mean a change in shape maybe...or would Wagorn be wide?

all our forwards can play across the front line
looks like MW wants the flexible unpredictable front line

Ozbarcode
02-08-2016, 12:57
Low basic wage with goals bonus and I think we could be on a winner.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 12:57
all our forwards can play across the front line
looks like MW wants the flexible unpredictable front line

But someone has to score the goals...we can't keep missing chances.

ItsInTheNet
02-08-2016, 12:57
https://youtu.be/OE15wHkL0UI

Irvine96
02-08-2016, 12:57
Jeez oh we would be better with james beattie

Dunantblue
02-08-2016, 12:59
Is this genuine? Any of our good sources confirmed? Cwood or JB?

Worries as usual would be fitness and sharpness.

Guys citing attitude problems are off the mark - with the right manager and an arm round the shoulder the lad is an absolute work horse - think is time at Palace as an example.

He is a classic, big very strong centre forward who can hold up, hold off and link. And at SPL level if his head and body are right - he will have impact.

Part thing I'll say is that he is the kind of player who will add the balance we perhaps lack - and may indicate a strong role for MoH yet.

He won't get you 20 a season though - at least I don't think he will.

cyl1690
02-08-2016, 13:00
Whilst he probably wouldn't have been a player that would have excited the support like with the RVP rumour, do we really think that with the amount of chances we currently create, he wouldn't be able to put the fair share of them in the net? That's something our current crop are unable to do

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 13:00
But someone has to score the goals...we can't keep missing chances.

v.true
mckays not a poacher, millers 95yo, waghorn cannot shoot with his other foot
its either adapt to having a central striker or hope that the combination of all the forwards score enough

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 13:00
dunant

I suppose we have to look more at Bordeaux - rather than Arsenal. He was a good player who did well in French top flight, albeit his touch wasn't always great.

NewAmsterdamLive
02-08-2016, 13:01
Relevant:

https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=82&story=6316

Drumchapel-Bear
02-08-2016, 13:02
Waghorn and Chamakh in same team would mean a change in shape maybe...or would Wagorn be wide?

I'd see Waghorn starting wide right but Chamakh is a player who likes to run the channels as well so they could easily interchange at times also.

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 13:02
Is this genuine? Any of our good sources confirmed? Cwood or JB?

Worries as usual would be fitness and sharpness.

Guys citing attitude problems are off the mark - with the right manager and an arm round the shoulder the lad is an absolute work horse - think is time at Palace as an example.

He is a classic, big very strong centre forward who can hold up, hold off and link. And at SPL level if his head and body are right - he will have impact.

Part thing I'll say is that he is the kind of player who will add the balance we perhaps lack - and may indicate a strong role for MoH yet.

He won't get you 20 a season though - at least I don't think he will.

JB has two sources saying there is interest


Chamakh with us could be very very good or a disaster
like most transfers its a gamble

supergers07
02-08-2016, 13:03
Waghorn and Chamakh in same team would mean a change in shape maybe...or would Wagorn be wide?

or would waghorn be told to sign new deal or risk being moved on next summer

HARTHILL_GER
02-08-2016, 13:03
We pished ourselves at the Tims when they signed Carlton Cole. Is Chamakh not a similar signing.

Very underwhelming for me.

stevesnedden
02-08-2016, 13:03
Kyle, Sandaza, Clark, Boyd- I'd take Chamakh in a heartbeat.

We are doing amazing things this window despite the very obvious financial constraints.

However, we need a Central Defender.

Finding one ain't that easy though!

supergers07
02-08-2016, 13:05
Is this genuine? Any of our good sources confirmed? Cwood or JB?

Worries as usual would be fitness and sharpness.

Guys citing attitude problems are off the mark - with the right manager and an arm round the shoulder the lad is an absolute work horse - think is time at Palace as an example.

He is a classic, big very strong centre forward who can hold up, hold off and link. And at SPL level if his head and body are right - he will have impact.

Part thing I'll say is that he is the kind of player who will add the balance we perhaps lack - and may indicate a strong role for MoH yet.

He won't get you 20 a season though - at least I don't think he will.

Think you'll be right about O'Halloran. From what i've heard from folk close to the situation is that Warbs over time wants him to be a more central focal point.

He'll start on saturday and deservedly so.

Butcher6
02-08-2016, 13:05
Same as usual from me IF we sign him I will judge the boy on how he plays for us.

Blue Sea Of Ibrox
02-08-2016, 13:06
People saying he's technically good and stuff haha. You haven't seen him play have you? Terrible touch. At 32 as well I'd rather we avoided this. We don't cross balls into the box much. We don't send the kind of balls into the box or up to the forward that he thrives on. I'm also not even sure he is a good finisher to be honest.

Management hands are tied though. We need them to be free basically it seems.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 13:07
Think you'll be right about O'Halloran. From what i've heard from folk close to the situation is that Warbs over time wants him to be a more central focal point.

He'll start on saturday and deservedly so.

MOH doesn't score goals either...and has a relatively poor first touch. Why would he lead the line in a highly technical system?

Eric Hitchmo
02-08-2016, 13:08
Hope he signs, would be a good player for us despite the FF football manager experts deciding he is pish.

BlueBearAbroad
02-08-2016, 13:08
These threads always play out the same, any potential signing gets slaughtered to begin with. By the time they do sign everyone seems to have convinced themselves it is a decent bit of business.

The lad has played ligue 1, EPL his whole career and despite not having the greatest scoring record he was likely not a regular starter and was playing at a far higher level than we are at, I am sure or management team have done their homework.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 13:10
MOH doesn't score goals either...and has a relatively poor first touch. Why would he lead the line in a highly technical system?

just what has been spoke about. I actually think if he got a run in the team he'd score with the chances created.
I think he's a very important player this coming season.

Deserves to start at the weekend

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 13:11
We're turning our noses up to a guy who a year ago was described as integral to the survival of an EPL team.

We were being linked with James Vaughan not long ago ffs

CaptainCourageous
02-08-2016, 13:12
Not prolific and looks to have struggled with injuries but has good experience and work rate when he wants to be involved. It's a club that can inspire you - arm under the shoulder from Mark Warburton, buzz from the Rangers support.

86 minutes on the clock at Tynecastle or Pittodie, we have pounded them 65% possession but the creativity just isn't there. We are struggling to break them down.

Tavernier or McKay clip a 15 yard ball into the box after watching Big Chamakh make an intelligent run; he uses his strength to hold of the defender and knocks it down to an on running team mate who plants it in the net. If he's not doing that he's glancing a header into the far post, or holding the ball up, turning and finishing... 1-0 Rangers. 1 point into 3.

If you've watched Chamakh over the years. In Ligue 1 he was strong, powerful and that impressed Arsene Wenger. He's also performed in the Premier League and has competed at international level. A handful at set pieces, some thing we don't have.

I keep being told that there is very little to be worried about in Scottish football. Chamakh laughs at a Rooney, Sammon, Stewart, Watt...

Brings some thing completely different to our game, a quick plan b. With players such as McKay, Barton, Halliday, Rossiter, Windass, Forrester, Waghorn, Tavernier, who can deliver a ball, this makes it quite exciting.

Dunantblue
02-08-2016, 13:13
dunant

I suppose we have to look more at Bordeaux - rather than Arsenal. He was a good player who did well in French top flight, albeit his touch wasn't always great.

Bordeaux was a long time ago mate. I'm sure Palace is a better yardstick. When his body and mind are right he is actually a physically very difficult man to match - a real beast. I think it might have been Warnock that got value from him? May be wrong on all that Palace stuff btw, but I am sure it was there that he added real value.

Walter Loyal
02-08-2016, 13:15
Waghorn and Chamakh in same team would mean a change in shape maybe...or would Wagorn be wide?

I think Chamakh will be a squad man. Someone who can offer a different outlet if need be. If Waghorn was to get another bad injury we'd be in trouble so we do need another striker. I doubt we'll see Waghorn out wide. His best position is through the middle and we do have other good options wide right.

OnlyOneAmoruso
02-08-2016, 13:15
Not great to be honest. Even at Bordeaux during the title-winning season I think he was lucky to hit 10 league goals and that was 7-8 years ago.

Still don't think we need a striker, lets go get a 24-25 year old pacey centre half.

Hammerinho
02-08-2016, 13:16
I've got two mates who are Palace season tickets holders who describe him as technicaly great, physically fücked.

Not sure personally

chilebear
02-08-2016, 13:16
MOH doesn't score goals either...and has a relatively poor first touch. Why would he lead the line in a highly technical system?

MOH will never lead the line but he can come across/into the box and get into scoring positions

Earth Worm Jim
02-08-2016, 13:19
he is 32 and has scored 71 club goals in his whole career:(

no thank you

badboy
02-08-2016, 13:20
I would have liked a younger player and to be honest however if he can find his form then he should be a good addition. French players don't really seem to set the heather on fire with us for some reason.

Disco DeeJay
02-08-2016, 13:20
Chamakh will run his socks off and supply a good few goals into the bargain.

Giving him the first 60 mins to tire out defences and then let a fresh Kenny Miller take over for the last 30 mins, might be a good plan.

canisbaybluenose
02-08-2016, 13:21
I think its becoming clear warburton is working with one hand tied behind his back.

The board have done an excellent job since coming in, however failure to properly back the manager in the market is concerning.

its all well and good King and the board asking the fans to step up to the plate, which we have in massive numbers, but when that is not reciprocated after certain soundbites fans will fast get annoyed - im not advocating going out and spending £5-10m on players, but at least give the manager a chance and deliver on the promises pre taking over and post taking over.

If Warburton wins this league with the resources he has been given, he deserves a knighthood.

Our big fu*k up was not winning the Scottish cup. That cost us a crack at Europe, that would have interested players we are not getting just now. So I think it not so much the board not backing him it is probably difficult to get the players he wants with no European Football. Chamakh would be fine if he has the right attitude. Warburton will not take some no hoper looking for a last pay check. At least I hope not, we do not need a Kazim - Richards.

tauntonbear
02-08-2016, 13:21
Not great to be honest. Even at Bordeaux during the title-winning season I think he was lucky to hit 10 league goals and that was 7-8 years ago.

Still don't think we need a striker, lets go get a 24-25 year old pacey centre half.

Hear Hear but maybe even younger. Put the money for Chamakh towards that priority. If we don't give away goals we don't lose games.

Oleg_Mcnoleg
02-08-2016, 13:21
I've got two mates who are Palace season tickets holders who describe him as technicaly great, physically fücked.

Not sure personally
Seems about the size of it. He's a far cleverer player than he's generally given credit for (probably on account of the preposterous barnet) but Wenger, in spite of other failings, doesn't sign technically poor idiots. If we could get and keep him fit, he'd be as good as any in Scotland. 'If' is the key word though

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 13:23
Chamakh will run his socks off and supply a good few goals into the bargain.

Giving him the first 60 mins to tire out defences and then let a fresh Kenny Miller take over for the last 30 mins, might be a good plan.

I like the sound of that

Walter Loyal
02-08-2016, 13:23
he is 32 and has scored 71 club goals in his whole career:(

no thank you

Remind me how many Waghorn had scored before he joined?

We are playing in a league where Adam Rooney consistently scores goals. A man who has consistently flopped in the English lower league's.

copeland road
02-08-2016, 13:23
I think Chamakh will be a squad man. Someone who can offer a different outlet if need be. If Waghorn was to get another bad injury we'd be in trouble so we do need another striker. I doubt we'll see Waghorn out wide. His best position is through the middle and we do have other good options wide right.

Waghorn misses a lot of chances with his head,when wee do put the cross in
Big chammak would maybe fininsh them

supergers07
02-08-2016, 13:24
I would have liked a younger player and to be honest however if he can find his form then he should be a good addition. French players don't really seem to set the heather on fire with us for some reason.

Is he not from Morocco or one of the Islamic country offshoots with French links?

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 13:25
Is he not from Morocco or one of the Islamic country offshoots with French links?

Born in - France
Plays for - Morocco
Combs his hair - In the dark

cooprfc
02-08-2016, 13:25
I know it's a big job but I really wish we could look outside England for players as you get more for your money.

We could be selling it to these guys that we are a stepping stone to big money in England like, dare I say it, Van Dijk, Wanyamma and even the likes of Jelavic (and Edu, Davis and the like too).

Mez
02-08-2016, 13:25
Remind me how many Waghorn had scored before he joined?

We are playing in a league where Adam Rooney consistently scores goals. A man who has consistently flopped in the English lower league's.

Waghorn was 1 in 5 before joining us.

Standards1972
02-08-2016, 13:28
It was always going to be this type of signing.

The idea we were going to bring in a proven 30 goal a season striker who just happened to be available for £400kish or was on a free (and every other club had failed to notice him) was jackanory.

Let’s give Waghorn the chance he deserves to lead the line for us, 28 goals before March last year was a good effort. The idea that he can’t improve his finishing contradicts the reason we brought Warburton in, to improve players.

Its-Sebo
02-08-2016, 13:29
I think the fact that he was a sub a lot of the time needs to taken into consideration with the stats. If online stats are to be believed, he's had...

29,854mins ~ 330 full games (out of 442 played)
95 Goals
40 Assists


...that's not too bad is it? Considered he's more focused on bring other players in to play and link up.

Either than or I'm bending stats to make him sound good.

EDIT: Apparently averaging 283 minutes per goal.

Albertz Was King
02-08-2016, 13:31
I know it's a big job but I really wish we could look outside England for players as you get more for your money.

We could be selling it to these guys that we are a stepping stone to big money in England like, dare I say it, Van Dijk, Wanyamma and even the likes of Jelavic (and Edu, Davis and the like too).
Don't think that will ever happen under Warburton.

I recall an interview on RTV and McParland said the model is to look at Scotland first then England for 1st team players.

Remember Warburton makes a big deal about the player "off the pitch" which I presume is a lot harder to gather information on when the player is coming from the continent.

Dom Ball, Keirnan, Forrester, Lee Hodson worked with the gaffer at Watford's youth set-up. That gives you an idea the kind of player he will go for moving forward which seems to work for him. Remember we also came close to getting Eustace (ex-Watford) and Mariappa (ex-Watford).

Gazman_Airdrie
02-08-2016, 13:32
Oh god. He was absolutely awful to watch at Arsenal and I thought I'd seen the back of him.

Hal B. Goode
02-08-2016, 13:33
I'm another such person. ST-holder, week in, week out.

He is technically brilliant, but fitness is a worry and he doesn't have many goals in him.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 13:33
Waghorn Chamakh McKay

That front line would destroy defences in Scotland. Especially with supply and support from Windass/Kranjcar/Forrester

BlueWorldOrder
02-08-2016, 13:34
No thanks, he is a terrible player. We need someone to put the ball in the net, this guy isn't that player.

Keyser_Soze
02-08-2016, 13:37
I haven't seen him much but it probably shows the level we are at right now.

If this is the best we can attract id rather two defenders. Which we desperately need.

Roscoblue
02-08-2016, 13:42
I think its becoming clear warburton is working with one hand tied behind his back.

The board have done an excellent job since coming in, however failure to properly back the manager in the market is concerning.

its all well and good King and the board asking the fans to step up to the plate, which we have in massive numbers, but when that is not reciprocated after certain soundbites fans will fast get annoyed - im not advocating going out and spending £5-10m on players, but at least give the manager a chance and deliver on the promises pre taking over and post taking over.

If Warburton wins this league with the resources he has been given, he deserves a knighthood.

I have no idea how you come to this conclusion. If you were to say I think it's becoming clear that Warburton seems intent on only working with either players he's worked with before or recommendations from players about their pals or maybe even that he seems intent on using the same agency for many deals I could see your point.

How you can lay the blame at the Board's feet is strange but I suppose in Warbs we trust.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 13:42
How much would he be looking for?

At least in line with our highest earner I'd say so around the 15-20k mark is prob our max.

Bigmother
02-08-2016, 13:42
This.

I long for us to operate in a manner in which we speculate slightly by taking a punt on an upcoming talent from say, eastern or Central Europe, then a couple years down the line we get a huge payback and more by selling to down south.

This how clubs in the Dutch, Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and even French leagues operate. An example being Rapid Vienna buying Jelavic for about £250k then two years later selling to us for £4m. Ajax, Anderlecht, Basel etc all use this approach.

We only ever seem to be linked with premier league cast offs or league one players. Quite simply we are operating in the wrong markets given the financial disparity.
Do you not think that may be because we had to start from scratch only a year ago. We have done remarkably well given our limited scouting resources and what we were left with. We are fishing in a pond we know.

wacaktb
02-08-2016, 13:43
He's utterly shite.
Just get us a decent centre half ffs!!

potnbear
02-08-2016, 13:44
Chamakh attack. Nice ring to it

Disco DeeJay
02-08-2016, 13:44
I think the fact that he was a sub a lot of the time needs to taken into consideration with the stats. If online stats are to be believed, he's had...

29,854mins ~ 330 full games (out of 442 played)
95 Goals
40 Assists


...that's not too bad is it? Considered he's more focused on bring other players in to play and link up.

Either than or I'm bending stats to make him sound good.

EDIT: Apparently averaging 283 minutes per goal.

That equates to almost one goal per 3 games, in England and France, where the standard is much better than Scotland.

Waghorn has gone from 1 goal in 5 games to 4 goals in 5 games up here.

The Wizard
02-08-2016, 13:45
His hair is brutal and he's injury prone. No thanks

scottishcampbell
02-08-2016, 13:45
Would rather we get a defender

MourinhosGhost
02-08-2016, 13:45
Remind me how many Waghorn had scored before he joined?

We are playing in a league where Adam Rooney consistently scores goals. A man who has consistently flopped in the English lower league's.

but waghorn is about 7 years younger than chamakh, so comparing the two is utter bollocks.

Oleg_Mcnoleg
02-08-2016, 13:48
but waghorn is about 7 years younger than chamakh, so comparing the two is utter bollocks.
Which is why you compare averages rather than totals

Xavi Hernandez
02-08-2016, 13:48
His hairdo is a ****in mile oot and when he played with Arsenal he looked pish – another Jeffers.

Still will probably score loads :D

ady mac
02-08-2016, 13:48
Heard this name I didn't think it was true

Then_Now_Forever
02-08-2016, 13:51
Would rather we get a defender

It's not one or the other. MW has repeatedly said we are in the market for both a striker and a centre half.

upgrader
02-08-2016, 13:52
He would stroll it up here, but to win this league we need 2 pacy, commanding center backs who can pass, one left footed and one right footed

awaiting news
02-08-2016, 13:52
The more I think about this, the more I can see the value. While I really wanted a recognised goalscorer and am still a bit disappointed that the Grigg thing wasn't true, this guy does actually meet many of our requirements. Last season we were crying out for someone with aerial presence who could also play in our mobile technical front line. We're now looking at someone who can do exactly that. The poor strike rate is not different from any of the championship strikers who have recently been revelations up here, much less EPL players. And we can't afford a technically skilled dominant predator. I'd have sacrificed aerial skill out of those 3 but at least it does give us another option.

I'd initially been worried about who he was laying the ball off to. Tav and Wallace usually score through interplay down the wing rather than involving the central striker. McKay's goals have tended to be created by himself. Wags is less effective wide right and MOH has yet to prove himself as a scorer. And, for all the plaudits our midfield deserved last year, they didn't actually score that many. However Windass is a specialist midfield goalscorer whose game is based on playing off a central striker; Wags is less effective wide right than through the middle but is still effective; and Dodoo may well work in such a system too, running into spaces created by defenders drawn to Chamakh.

It does also give us variety in our play as crosses and corners actually become dangerous again.

A minor point is also that he could be useful at the other end at set plays. In the absence of a dominant defender, there's no harm in having a tank of a striker winning the headers to clear corners.

Still worried about fitness and injuries but we have to trust our team to look into that. I'd also still prefer a goalscorer. But I can see value here.

Tagsbear
02-08-2016, 13:52
Is this a real rumour with substance?

If so, I personally think he'd piss our league, looked decent for Palace, however he's had a lot of injuries, so a risk.

Alang1988
02-08-2016, 13:54
If he signs then im not overly fussed but personally i think we are ok in the front 3 positions and would rather give Dodoo a try through the middle or Waghorn through there and MOH outwide and if come January we are not scoring a lot review it then

Personally for the money i imagine he would ask for which im guessing would be 10k+ per week id rather the money was spent on a quality CB because If we dont concede then we only need to score 1 to win a game

Standards1972
02-08-2016, 13:57
I have no idea how you come to this conclusion. If you were to say I think it's becoming clear that Warburton seems intent on only working with either players he's worked with before or recommendations from players about their pals or maybe even that he seems intent on using the same agency for many deals I could see your point.

How you can lay the blame at the Board's feet is strange but I suppose in Warbs we trust.

It's ok not to like the manager mate.

sarcasm does not become you.

Vidmar
02-08-2016, 13:57
Is there mileage in this?

Strikes me as a bit of a panic step. Even at his peak I'm not sure he was that great and I seem to be alone in thinking Waghorn is a much better centre forward than right-sided attacker.

Would be an odd one, but MW has proved us wrong before.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 13:58
If he signs then im not overly fussed but personally i think we are ok in the front 3 positions and would rather give Dodoo a try through the middle or Waghorn through there and MOH outwide and if come January we are not scoring a lot review it then

Personally for the money i imagine he would ask for which im guessing would be 10k+ per week id rather the money was spent on a quality CB because If we dont concede then we only need to score 1 to win a game

we aren't ok in the front 3.

we create shedloads of chances but piss most up against the wall. We get away with it against shit like Annan, Stranraer and the lesser spl teams. We won't get away with missing chances up at Dollyville, Knew Camp or Tynecastle without being punished.

WATP85
02-08-2016, 14:00
The more I think about this, the more I can see the value. While I really wanted a recognised goalscorer and am still a bit disappointed that the Grigg thing wasn't true, this guy does actually meet many of our requirements. Last season we were crying out for someone with aerial presence who could also play in our mobile technical front line. We're now looking at someone who can do exactly that. The poor strike rate is not different from any of the championship strikers who have recently been revelations up here, much less EPL players. And we can't afford a technically skilled dominant predator. I'd have sacrificed aerial skill out of those 3 but at least it does give us another option.

I'd initially been worried about who he was laying the ball off to. Tav and Wallace usually score through interplay down the wing rather than involving the central striker. McKay's goals have tended to be created by himself. Wags is less effective wide right and MOH has yet to prove himself as a scorer. And, for all the plaudits our midfield deserved last year, they didn't actually score that many. However Windass is a specialist midfield goalscorer whose game is based on playing off a central striker; Wags is less effective wide right than through the middle but is still effective; and Dodoo may well work in such a system too, running into spaces created by defenders drawn to Chamakh.

It does also give us variety in our play as crosses and corners actually become dangerous again.

A minor point is also that he could be useful at the other end at set plays. In the absence of a dominant defender, there's no harm in having a tank of a striker winning the headers to clear corners.

Still worried about fitness and injuries but we have to trust our team to look into that. I'd also still prefer a goalscorer. But I can see value here.

It's more than a minor point mate.

Someone who is good in the air at both ends is badly needed. We lost far too many easy goals from set pieces.

He'll offer something different to what we have if he signs.

jdilla
02-08-2016, 14:03
Is there mileage in this?

Strikes me as a bit of a panic step. Even at his peak I'm not sure he was that great and I seem to be alone in thinking Waghorn is a much better centre forward than right-sided attacker.

Would be an odd one, but MW has proved us wrong before.

Waghorn is too one footed and isn't a good enough finisher to play through the middle regularly

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:03
Massive NO for me... He's f*cking shite.

cw3038
02-08-2016, 14:03
He's utterly shite.
Just get us a decent centre half ffs!!

Echoes my sentiments.

Standards1972
02-08-2016, 14:03
we aren't ok in the front 3.

we create shedloads of chances but piss most up against the wall. We get away with it against shit like Annan, Stranraer and the lesser spl teams. We won't get away with missing chances up at Dollyville, Knew Camp or Tynecastle without being punished.

Why are you so unwilling to give Waghorn a chance to lead the line?

He scored 28 goals last year before getting injured.

He is working hard to improve both at training and on his own.

Was the whole point of appointing Warburton not to get a guy that would improve players?

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 14:04
Is there mileage in this?

Strikes me as a bit of a panic step. Even at his peak I'm not sure he was that great and I seem to be alone in thinking Waghorn is a much better centre forward than right-sided attacker.

Would be an odd one, but MW has proved us wrong before.

don't think would be a panic step
rather a lesser target in the list

its seems to me that a few were sounded out before him and fees/wages were too high

Disco DeeJay
02-08-2016, 14:04
Do you not think that may be because we had to start from scratch only a year ago. We have done remarkably well given our limited scouting resources and what we were left with. We are fishing in a pond we know.

Correct.

We have already signed NINE quality players during the close season, with hopefully 2 more to come.

None of them cost huge transfer fees, as they were mostly out of contract, though Windass, Crooks, Rossiter and Dodoo all cost compensation payments of around £250k each.

However, the lack of a transfer fee gives a player more power, when negotiating terms.

That's 9 lots of Agent Fee's, 9 signing-on fee's and 9 wages probably greater than the players who were released.

Add on to that, Warburton, Weir and a few players extending their current contracts on better terms and a considerable amount of money has already been spent.

The transformation in 1 year is amazing, both on and off the park.

My concern is that people on here will throw the toys out of the pram, if we don't win the league this year.

There are 11 other teams in this league, who hate us and will raise their game every week. It will not be a level playing field, in terms of the effort that we will be up against, compared to other teams, where opposition players will be going through the motions.

I reckon we are a good centre half away from having a decent chance of winning the league this year and that would be a huge bonus, but it has to be remembered that we are still very much Work In Progress.

Roscoblue
02-08-2016, 14:05
It's ok not to like the manager mate.

sarcasm does not become you.


I like the manager. I don't like the hold he has over our support.

What he's done well has been brilliant for us and he deserves to be praised to the hilt for it but his inability to form a defence is a huge worry and we're entitled to question it.

200000 Heroes
02-08-2016, 14:05
I love these types of threads. They start off with "he's pish", "the guy's barnet is a shocker, no thanks" and "I wish we would buy a central defender" and two hours later it's moved on to the second phase thread of "actually, I reckon he would score for fun up here", "I can see the sense in this one" to "it depends how much he would cost".

The only thing that is missing now is when we all find out some crash barrier on KiddyFiddler Street made the whole fuquing thing up

For what it's worth, I reckon he'd score for fun :D

Walter Loyal
02-08-2016, 14:09
How much would he be looking for?

At least in line with our highest earner I'd say so around the 15-20k mark is prob our max.

I highly doubt it. As it stands he isn't earning anything and we're now into August. He's 32 and hasn't played much over the last year so I doubt he'll get that type of money anywhere.

johnnybravo
02-08-2016, 14:11
I love these types of threads. They start off with "he's pish", "the guy's barnet is a shocker, no thanks" and "I wish we would buy a central defender" and two hours later it's moved on to the second phase thread of "actually, I reckon he would score for fun up here", "I can see the sense in this one" to "it depends how much he would cost".

The only thing that is missing now is when we all find out some crash barrier on KiddyFiddler Street made the whole fuquing thing up

For what it's worth, I reckon he'd score for fun :D

yep seen it regularly recently,
watch many posters backing up from,
being shite
to I'll give him a chance
to can't wait to see him play.��

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:12
Anyone wanting this guy to sign for us seriously needs their heads checked.

Then_Now_Forever
02-08-2016, 14:14
Anyone wanting this guy to sign for us seriously needs their heads checked.

Why?

More like the people who actually thought we were going to sign RVP need their heads checked :D

supergers07
02-08-2016, 14:15
Some of the stuff on twitter on it is mental.

some guy @warbsismagic claims he's here on trial (he's not even in the country) then says at one point he cost arsenal £14m. (he was a bosman)

badboy
02-08-2016, 14:15
I like the manager. I don't like the hold he has over our support.

What he's done well has been brilliant for us and he deserves to be praised to the hilt for it but his inability to form a defence is a huge worry and we're entitled to question it.

You're right about this. We are blinded sometimes about the team and it's seen as disloyal to question the manager at times when it's warranted and to a lesser degree the board. I would prefer a decent defence, particularly a strong CH however I suppose if the lad gets fit and is really up for it here then let's go for it.

Standards1972
02-08-2016, 14:16
I like the manager. I don't like the hold he has over our support.

What he's done well has been brilliant for us and he deserves to be praised to the hilt for it but his inability to form a defence is a huge worry and we're entitled to question it.

I agree with you. I'm sure it was you I said this to the other day. The same fan that waxes lyrical about Warburton absolutely slaughters the defence he's responsible for on a daily basis.

Weird.

rossgers
02-08-2016, 14:17
Anyone wanting this guy to sign for us seriously needs their heads checked.

I need my head checked. Internationalist, played EPL last year albeit from the bench. Needs fitness but otherwise he is a good fit for what we need and the way we play. Similar to the Krancjar signing.

Albertz Was King
02-08-2016, 14:17
Some of the stuff on twitter on it is mental.

some guy @warbsismagic claims he's here on trial (he's not even in the country) then says at one point he cost arsenal £14m. (he was a bosman)

That Twitter user posts utter rubbish, either he is 12 or is a bit simple.

supergers07
02-08-2016, 14:18
That Twitter user posts utter rubbish, either he is 12 or is a bit simple.

yeah, I seen the old Phantom slaughter him rotten before his time off.
He must be a kid on school holidays or that ac milan fella.

gp1981
02-08-2016, 14:22
what's his missus like

macdonsj
02-08-2016, 14:24
perhaps we are supplementing our forward line with the ilk of Chamakh
in order to spend more of the remaining cash on a CB?

maybe thats seen as more the priority and funds shift to there?

garyw09
02-08-2016, 14:25
what's his missus like

The important question.

awaiting news
02-08-2016, 14:25
It's more than a minor point mate.

Someone who is good in the air at both ends is badly needed. We lost far too many easy goals from set pieces.

He'll offer something different to what we have if he signs.

I'm not disputing the need for someone to win the ball at the back. But that will, for preference, be the new defender. When buying a striker I'd say his defensive abilities are a minor consideration but it is a bonus here.

Having a aerially dominant striker would give us a new dimension in attack but, on the wish list of striking skills, I'd put it below finishing and build up play. It is a bonus though and I won't say no if we can't afford a finisher at the level we want.

BlueBearAbroad
02-08-2016, 14:26
what's his missus like


http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbscseWeXx1qcur6g.jpg

Tagsbear
02-08-2016, 14:26
I like the manager. I don't like the hold he has over our support.

What he's done well has been brilliant for us and he deserves to be praised to the hilt for it but his inability to form a defence is a huge worry and we're entitled to question it.

I doubt you'll find a single fan who doesn't want us to sign a new centre back, not sure how that equates to the manager having a 'hold' over the support.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 14:26
perhaps we are supplementing our forward line with the ilk of Chamakh
in order to spend more of the remaining cash on a CB?

maybe thats seen as more the priority and funds shift to there?

A very good point I didn't consider

Tagsbear
02-08-2016, 14:28
Anyone wanting this guy to sign for us seriously needs their heads checked.

What a load of shite. He's played his entire career at a higher level than the SPL for a reason.

garyw09
02-08-2016, 14:28
http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbscseWeXx1qcur6g.jpg

Oh yes. :)

Sign him up.

henrywatson115
02-08-2016, 14:28
So is he here

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:36
Why?

More like the people who actually thought we were going to sign RVP need their heads checked :D

He's f*cking crap, that's why. And i would not disagree with you on the RVP, although i would maybe add that they needed sectioned.

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:37
I need my head checked. Internationalist, played EPL last year albeit from the bench. Needs fitness but otherwise he is a good fit for what we need and the way we play. Similar to the Krancjar signing.

Yep, you do.

Thehammerlegend
02-08-2016, 14:41
This thread is far too confusing. Is he here? Have we photographic proof or solid proof?

le great white tadpo
02-08-2016, 14:42
I think its becoming clear warburton is working with one hand tied behind his back.

The board have done an excellent job since coming in, however failure to properly back the manager in the market is concerning.

its all well and good King and the board asking the fans to step up to the plate, which we have in massive numbers, but when that is not reciprocated after certain soundbites fans will fast get annoyed - im not advocating going out and spending £5-10m on players, but at least give the manager a chance and deliver on the promises pre taking over and post taking over.

If Warburton wins this league with the resources he has been given, he deserves a knighthood.

👏 Agree with this

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:43
What a load of shite. He's played his entire career at a higher level than the SPL for a reason.

It's not a lot of shite, he is the one who has been shite since he signed for Arsenal.. If you're happy with this kind of target then fair play to you, but imo if he where to sign (which i find highly unlikely) he will be a najor flop/.

DYNAMO_ROSCO
02-08-2016, 14:43
This thread is far too confusing. Is he here? Have we photographic proof or solid proof?

Just jellybeans info from two different sources

david1291
02-08-2016, 14:47
It's not a lot of shite, he is the one who has been shite since he signed for Arsenal.. If you're happy with this kind of target then fair play to you, but imo if he where to sign (which i find highly unlikely) he will be a najor flop/.

You've posted that he's shite four times now. Did he pump your mrs sir :)?

greigj85
02-08-2016, 14:47
Seems to be a bit injury prone. Potential deal until January, see how he gets on.

Not sure about this signing mind you. Not that great return for a striker. Plus he has a shite haircut......

Tagsbear
02-08-2016, 14:51
It's not a lot of shite, he is the one who has been shite since he signed for Arsenal.. If you're happy with this kind of target then fair play to you, but imo if he where to sign (which i find highly unlikely) he will be a najor flop/.

No, he hasn't been shite since he signed for Arsenal, that's a load of shite.

Shite.

And jobbys.

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:55
You've posted that he's shite four times now. Did he pump your mrs sir :)?

Aye, she's the lass in the pics above... Pure raging.... :D

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 14:56
No, he hasn't been shite since he signed for Arsenal, that's a load of shite.

Shite.

And jobbys.

Aye ask any Arsenal supporter how good he was for them... ;)

He was crap.... :D

ItsInTheNet
02-08-2016, 14:57
Here's hoping we get this over the line then it's a centre back in and that's us all set to go:)

awaiting news
02-08-2016, 14:59
Seems to be a bit injury prone. Potential deal until January, see how he gets on.

Not sure about this signing mind you. Not that great return for a striker. Plus he has a shite haircut......

Think the comment about the haircut is unnecessary. I mean it is shocking but saying, "I hope your next shite is Chamakh's haircut" could replace the classic 'hedgehog' line. :)

Dunantblue
02-08-2016, 15:00
I like the manager. I don't like the hold he has over our support.

What he's done well has been brilliant for us and he deserves to be praised to the hilt for it but his inability to form a defence is a huge worry and we're entitled to question it.

He doesn't have "a hold" over the support FfS!

Some of our number are more willing to give the guy credit for how far we've come, and allow context to dictate expectation on how fast we can travel further forward before we get everything we want.

He had choices this summer - clearly. We were not in a position to produce a quality finished article across every part of the team. Every bit of the team needed strengthening. He made prioritised choices that looked to me like good ones based on a vision for how he wants the team to play, and that would enable us to compete.

I am delighted with our business in the window. It outreached my hopes and predictions and resulted in better quality than I thought we would have come this stage of preparation. A great job, well done.

We now look in a good place to put together a credible challenge deep into the season ahead - I wouldn't have asked for any more than that, and have not down to date.

Make no mistake though, if - as one prominent poster predicted last night - we are 15 points adrift of celtic and struggling to keep up with Hearts and Aberdeen by Christmas - he will be judged by the support - whether we want him to be or not - and it won't be kind.

tcts
02-08-2016, 15:02
In my opinion, if he can stay clear of injuries, he'd be a good option for us at this present time. Maybe a "pay as you play" type deal?

Northampton_loyalist
02-08-2016, 15:02
�� Agree with this

Me too; if I completely ignore the fact that King et al have spent an absolute fortune just paying the bills, personally spent that is. If I further ignore the 9 players that the manager has brought in so far, including 2 of proven EPL pedigree. If I, on top of all of that, ignore the fact we are handicapped by the fat **** and are working with a budget far lower than it should be. If, again, I ignore the fact that the manager is clearly not worried about his backing, because he just signed a new ****ing deal and I guess he would be the one who knows what backing he is or is not getting.

Yup, the board who have dragged us kicking and screaming from 3rd in the championship to talking about a top division title fight with a couple of extra players are not backing the manager and are guilty of putting out misleading soundbites.

You two deserve each other.

jdilla
02-08-2016, 15:07
It's not a lot of shite, he is the one who has been shite since he signed for Arsenal.. If you're happy with this kind of target then fair play to you, but imo if he where to sign (which i find highly unlikely) he will be a najor flop/.

Pure, 100%, unadulterated pish

Imagine making up lie on the internet about a player you've clearly not watched. Embarrassing

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 15:08
I wish more people would remember we're f***ed....still. We barely break even, and are in debt.

We also had no scouting, a skeleton staff in ticketing office, and a shit team who were going nowhere.

Chamakh isn't what we dream of but what do posters suggest? Where would they look?

As a personal aside I am slightly disappointed that McPartland (done great job so far) only works in UK market but we are where we are and he's best scout we've had in many a year.

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 15:10
Pure, 100%, unadulterated pish

Imagine making up lie on the internet about a player you've clearly not watched. Embarrassing

Ask any Arsenal supporter how good he was for them.. Nowt embarrassing in what i have posted.

johnnybravo
02-08-2016, 15:10
Pure, 100%, unadulterated pish

Imagine making up lie on the internet about a player you've clearly not watched. Embarrassing

here was me thinking that jjloyal had closely followed his career since a lad at Bordeaux, the way he was giving his expert opinion.:D

bornabluenose
02-08-2016, 15:11
Know little of him to be honest .

A forward and a centre back and it will have been a very good window for us .

The forward being of secondary importance IMHO.

Earl of Leven
02-08-2016, 15:12
We don't always get to choose at our level:

"So, anyway while we're on, Marouane is willing to join Rangers...want a talk with him?"

Could be that simple.

jjloyal1979
02-08-2016, 15:15
here was me thinking that jjloyal had closely followed his career since a lad at Bordeaux, the way he was giving his expert opinion.:D

Suppose we could look forward to quality finishing like this..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPkKAufv6wU

Sparky_72
02-08-2016, 15:16
Bring him home Warbo

Northampton_loyalist
02-08-2016, 15:17
Suppose we could look forward to quality finishing like this..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPkKAufv6wU

hahahaha, guess you wont be wanting Ronaldo, seeing as 1 miss is enough for you to base a judgement on, 10 surely would put you off!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtBLTIXbHT8

adamski
02-08-2016, 15:17
I like the manager. I don't like the hold he has over our support.

What he's done well has been brilliant for us and he deserves to be praised to the hilt for it but his inability to form a defence is a huge worry and we're entitled to question it.

I'd still say he gets a further two transfer windows to correct this, before it's established as fact.

The defence he put together last year achieved it's main aim - it also had some embarrassing collapses. There's still four weeks of this window to change things also.

awaiting news
02-08-2016, 15:17
Know little of him to be honest .

A forward and a centre back and it will have been a very good window for us .

The forward being of secondary importance IMHO.

Fair assessment. And I do wonder if his aerial prowess are also being considered in terms of what he'll add to the back line at set pieces. If we can't get a fast skillful defender who's good in the air then would we take Chamakh plus a fast skilful defender with less aerial ability?