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ian-rfc
11-07-2014, 08:07
DEREK JOHNSTONE today demanded an apology from some of the most high-profile names in Scottish football in the wake of Rangers' victory over the taxman.



He said: "A lot of people in the game should hang their heads in shame. Rangers are owed a huge apology."

HM Revenue and Customs this week lost their appeal to the 'big tax case' verdict that ruled Rangers were not guilty of wrong-doing during Sir David Murray's time at the helm.

The spectre of the case cast a huge cloud over the club before a disastrous chain of events unfolded that led to Ally McCoist's side dropping down to the Third Division two years ago.

On Wednesday, the Union of Fans hit out at SFA chief Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster of the SPFL, Stephen Thompson, Rod Petrie, Peter Lawwell and lawyer Rod McKenzie for their actions and comments during Rangers' troubles.

DJ told SportTimes: "They all came to the conclusion that Rangers were guilty before anything was proven.

"They all had their say and every one has been proven wrong.

"The most famous two words that were spouted was 'sporting integrity'. Well, where is the sporting integrity in what has happened to Rangers? The club and the fans have been proven right.

"I hope the club are recompensed for everything they have missed out on in the last two years."

Despite being cleared for the second time in the courts, the ruling is a bitter-sweet one for Rangers fans and the club as Ally McCoist's side look to complete their journey back to the top flight this term.

But Johnstone insists the actions of some should never be forgotten after Rangers and the Light Blue legions were vindicated once again.

He said: "A lot of people in the media jumped on the bandwagon as well. It was all built on ifs, buts and maybes, and too many people lined up to stick the boot into Rangers.

"It was absolute rubbish. I think there should be many, many apologies sent to Rangers in the next few days.

"It is good that it has all come out and Rangers have been vindicated. That is fantastic.

"But there are a lot of people who will have their heads buried in the sand and will be keeping a low profile in the next few weeks."

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-legend-demands-apology-over-ebt-debacle-170696n.24723784

imager
11-07-2014, 08:09
DEREK JOHNSTONE today demanded an apology from some of the most high-profile names in Scottish football in the wake of Rangers' victory over the taxman.



He said: "A lot of people in the game should hang their heads in shame. Rangers are owed a huge apology."

HM Revenue and Customs this week lost their appeal to the 'big tax case' verdict that ruled Rangers were not guilty of wrong-doing during Sir David Murray's time at the helm.

The spectre of the case cast a huge cloud over the club before a disastrous chain of events unfolded that led to Ally McCoist's side dropping down to the Third Division two years ago.

On Wednesday, the Union of Fans hit out at SFA chief Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster of the SPFL, Stephen Thompson, Rod Petrie, Peter Lawwell and lawyer Rod McKenzie for their actions and comments during Rangers' troubles.

DJ told SportTimes: "They all came to the conclusion that Rangers were guilty before anything was proven.

"They all had their say and every one has been proven wrong.

"The most famous two words that were spouted was 'sporting integrity'. Well, where is the sporting integrity in what has happened to Rangers? The club and the fans have been proven right.

"I hope the club are recompensed for everything they have missed out on in the last two years."

Despite being cleared for the second time in the courts, the ruling is a bitter-sweet one for Rangers fans and the club as Ally McCoist's side look to complete their journey back to the top flight this term.

But Johnstone insists the actions of some should never be forgotten after Rangers and the Light Blue legions were vindicated once again.

He said: "A lot of people in the media jumped on the bandwagon as well. It was all built on ifs, buts and maybes, and too many people lined up to stick the boot into Rangers.

"It was absolute rubbish. I think there should be many, many apologies sent to Rangers in the next few days.

"It is good that it has all come out and Rangers have been vindicated. That is fantastic.

"But there are a lot of people who will have their heads buried in the sand and will be keeping a low profile in the next few weeks."

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-legend-demands-apology-over-ebt-debacle-170696n.24723784


Johnstone is slated regularly on here, sometimes rightly so, but that piece is excellent and bang on the money.

portobear
11-07-2014, 08:11
Missed out quite a few names that owe us an apology!

copland71
11-07-2014, 08:12
Excellent piece by DJ....
We now need a strong figure head to keep the pressure on the SFA,bbc,all press ,time,Dundee utd,hibs etc ...we can't just forget about this.....

ian-rfc
11-07-2014, 08:12
Derek Johnstone: No justice for Rangers

THE announcement that HMRC had lost their Big Tax case appeal this week would have brought mixed feelings for Rangers fans.



On one hand, they will be pleased it has come to an end and feel vindicated that the club has, for the second time, been found not guilty.

Yet they will also wonder what might have been if this had been settled sooner.

They have been put through the wringer for nothing - and it is an absolute scandal.

Unfortunately, we can't turn the clock back and the club are still dealing with the consequences of the actions of some individuals who have caused a great deal of pain and damage over the last few weeks.

Rangers were always confident that they had done nothing wrong in their use of EBTs, but nobody believed them and people were queuing up to brand them guilty.

You just have to look at some of the newspapers, the talk on the radio, on television and on the internet.

Everyone had an opinion on Rangers and so many of them got it wrong. They jumped to conclusions and had Rangers guilty from the start.

The club were accused of cheating, of cheating Scottish football, buying players they couldn't afford.

There were people demanding that the club be stripped of league titles and cup wins. And now, eventually, the confirmation comes, again, that Rangers were the victims in this.

There was a lot of nonsense, absolute nonsense, spouted about Rangers, and all those people are wrong.

It will sicken Rangers fans that everything they have been through has been for nothing - and it all comes down to two men: Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte.

It was Murray who sold to Whyte, it was his call, and we cannot forget that.

We cannot take him out of the equation and forget his part in this. David Murray has a lot to answer for and Rangers fans will hold him accountable.

When Rangers were available to buy, a number of interested parties were put off by this tax bill that the club were supposedly due to pay.

The tax man, and so many involved since, have done Rangers and put them where they are today.

It is a disgrace.

Once Whyte got control, it was a downward spiral and, due to the fact that he didn't pay tax, the club was brought to its knees.

Whyte had a record of corporate troubles and run-ins with the authorities. He has a lot to answer for, but I doubt if he will care what he has done. He has caused so much damage to Rangers and put the fans through hell.

But HMRC are very much complicit in this as well. They helped bring an institution to its knees over nothing.

All the heartache, all the problems, all the pain, has been for nothing and Rangers fans are rightly angry.

The big tax case was all ifs, buts and maybes, and they have now been proven wrong - twice.

This supposed bill of £80million or £100m put off prospective buyers and allowed Whyte in the door.

There is nothing that can be done for Rangers unfortunately. It has all happened and the club has to make its way back.

But I hope we haven't heard the last of this and people will be held accountable for this chain of events.

The other thing that is ongoing at the moment is the BDO investigation into the whole affair.

Any money raised through BDO action will go into the creditors' pot and hopefully as many people as possible that Rangers owed money to will get as much as possible back.

It is hard to comprehend how much damage has been done to the Light Blues in the last few years. It has set the club back years and years.

They were thrown out of the top flight, have had no European football, been denied prize money and lost millions of pounds worth of players.

Rangers have had to rebuild from the bottom, but the club will return to the top once again.

Even if HMRC had won this case, they wouldn't have got any money because the case was against the old company.

Taxpayers have got to be asking why so much time, effort and money was spent on this case? They have got nothing to show for it.

But Rangers, and the fans, will have to deal with the fallout and ramifications of this mess for years to come.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/ranger...0650n.24716353

tommyhlrsc
11-07-2014, 08:12
Did DJ not repeatedly agree with numerous Clyde panels that Rangers 'deserved to be punished' over the goings on's of the past 2-3 years?

blueredwhite
11-07-2014, 08:14
I don't always agree with DJ, but that is a fantastic piece and he's said what a number if fans will be feeling.

loyalistpicken
11-07-2014, 08:18
It is a start now everyone should be calling for an appology and an Enquiry in to how this was allowed to happen

wirralbluenose
11-07-2014, 08:20
I have criticised Johnstone in the past but he is the first to lay into the haters who tried to kill us, hopefully we now see many more ex players demanding explanations from the corrupt authorities who shamefully tried to steal hour honours and humiliate us.
A strong worded statement from Smith would get uk wide publicity and crank the pressure up on the Fhilth who stitched us up.

Tim Hunter
11-07-2014, 08:21
"It was absolute rubbish. I think there should be many, many apologies sent to Rangers in the next few days.


Not often DJ talks sense, but well done DJ.
No one will apologise to Rangers ever.

kylegib
11-07-2014, 08:23
Great article from DJ agree with what he said and I still think it was Lloyds that forced the sale to Whyte

paisleyprod
11-07-2014, 08:23
Decent from him for once.

Hopefully all and sundry will follow him and law suits and compensation will follow and heads will roll.

We can but hope.

greigo
11-07-2014, 08:24
Well said dj. We need more from ex players and staff

imbran
11-07-2014, 08:26
Good piece from him, especially for naming (some) names. Hope this isn't just another false dawn in his public support for Rangers.

Pollok-Loyal
11-07-2014, 08:28
Did DJ not repeatedly agree with numerous Clyde panels that Rangers 'deserved to be punished' over the goings on's of the past 2-3 years?

DJ was put under severe pressure by the presenter of that show Delahunt, who let every bitter yahoo on the planet on to have a go at DJ.

I never once heard DJ say Rangers should be punished re: EBT, when he was harangued re: Whyte and what that scrote done he agreed we would need to suffer some kind of punishment.

schmohawk
11-07-2014, 08:37
The consensus on here was the third division was the right thing to do at the time...people love to forget these things. Hardly something to have a go at dj for...but some of our fans are so bitter that attacking our ex players is there favourite sport

bluecares
11-07-2014, 08:38
An apology would be a start. It will take much more than that to right the sh!t that has been done the good name of our club.

TeddybearTam
11-07-2014, 08:39
Missed out quite a few names that owe us an apology!

That's what you took from that... missed a few names? Jeezo he's not exactly going to list each and every person that spoke out against us.... You'd need a few pages for that FFS.

DJ is spot on here and I agree with him 100%.

Shane Vendrell
11-07-2014, 08:39
A good article but we wont get an apology and given the chance they would do it again to us without doubt.

'nuther Baku Bear
11-07-2014, 08:42
Apologies would be a cheap option from the scrotes that owe us. A start should be that all competitions denied to us are nil and void.

Bitter? Me? Just a big bit.

bluecares
11-07-2014, 08:45
A good article but we wont get an apology and given the chance they would do it again to us without doubt.

Exactly why I would accept any apology in one hand and with the other hand in a letter of intent leave the corrupt cesspit of scottish football. They showed what Rangers meant to them in 2008 with the lies an lack of support and I would have made plans to leave then. This however, is far worse. Unfairly judged and sentenced by bigots.

experiment626
11-07-2014, 08:46
Missed out quite a few names that owe us an apology!

That quote was taken from the UOF statement.

DJ has rightly in my opinion been slated for things in the past on here, but this is bang on the money.
Apologies should be the very minimum we receive.

charlie bubbles
11-07-2014, 08:52
Missed out quite a few names that owe us an apology!

There are far too many to name. We know who they are.

Blue Lew
11-07-2014, 08:54
DJ is roundly slaughtered on here but no one can have any issues with that article. We need more people to come out and sing from the same hymn sheet.

Earl of Leven
11-07-2014, 08:54
Murray is still to blame in my eyes, but it's clear that HMRC are almost as complicit.

Their leaks, briefings etc created an atmosphere whereby club couldn't be sold 'normally'. This is what almost sunk us...

And they knew what they were doing.

thelivibluenose
11-07-2014, 08:58
Only part of the interview I have a slight disagree with is the apology part. If apologies are made on the QT, and let's be honest that's the way these slimy rabid prhicks are likely to make them, then they should be told to shove it and be made to make them publicly in the same way they made their misguided and misjudged criticism

chateaubleu
11-07-2014, 08:58
Derek Johnstone was one of these guys I would have hoped would've joined Sandy Jardine in leading the fight for our club, or at least become a perfect example of an ambassador in the same way Sandy was. I was disappointed when he opted for Clyde and the ET instead.

However, there is a real anger in that article that can only come from a Rangers supporter hurt by everything that's happened to us.

Good on him for breaking cover and calling these cretins out.

The Big Cheese
11-07-2014, 09:03
Murray is still to blame in my eyes, but it's clear that HMRC are almost as complicit.

Their leaks, briefings etc created an atmosphere whereby club couldn't be sold 'normally'. This is what almost sunk us...

And they knew what they were doing.

Correct,this is the central point.
We have repeatedly been told that each EBT case stands on it's own merits and it's therefore not goung to set a precedent.
Why are HMRC hellbent in pursuing a case when there is no hope of recovering any monies? How much has it cost the taxpayer to fund this case?
However the most important point to make regarding HMRC is why they have not investigated the criminal acts by their own staff in leaking sensitive and confidential information on an industrial scale.
At least the piece in DJ's name poses a few good questions which may hopefully lead us in that direction.

200000 Heroes
11-07-2014, 09:03
Johnstone is slated regularly on here, sometimes rightly so, but that piece is excellent and bang on the money.

Totally agree.

The big man gets a roasting in here from time to time but he is often first to speak up with the fans view on things.

He's quite right with this piece when nobody else in the media has come close to telling it like it is

Aggieblue
11-07-2014, 09:04
Derek Johnstone: No justice for Rangers

THE announcement that HMRC had lost their Big Tax case appeal this week would have brought mixed feelings for Rangers fans.



On one hand, they will be pleased it has come to an end and feel vindicated that the club has, for the second time, been found not guilty.

Yet they will also wonder what might have been if this had been settled sooner.

They have been put through the wringer for nothing - and it is an absolute scandal.

Unfortunately, we can't turn the clock back and the club are still dealing with the consequences of the actions of some individuals who have caused a great deal of pain and damage over the last few weeks.

Rangers were always confident that they had done nothing wrong in their use of EBTs, but nobody believed them and people were queuing up to brand them guilty.

You just have to look at some of the newspapers, the talk on the radio, on television and on the internet.

Everyone had an opinion on Rangers and so many of them got it wrong. They jumped to conclusions and had Rangers guilty from the start.

The club were accused of cheating, of cheating Scottish football, buying players they couldn't afford.

There were people demanding that the club be stripped of league titles and cup wins. And now, eventually, the confirmation comes, again, that Rangers were the victims in this.

There was a lot of nonsense, absolute nonsense, spouted about Rangers, and all those people are wrong.

It will sicken Rangers fans that everything they have been through has been for nothing - and it all comes down to two men: Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte.

It was Murray who sold to Whyte, it was his call, and we cannot forget that.

We cannot take him out of the equation and forget his part in this. David Murray has a lot to answer for and Rangers fans will hold him accountable.

When Rangers were available to buy, a number of interested parties were put off by this tax bill that the club were supposedly due to pay.

The tax man, and so many involved since, have done Rangers and put them where they are today.

It is a disgrace.

Once Whyte got control, it was a downward spiral and, due to the fact that he didn't pay tax, the club was brought to its knees.

Whyte had a record of corporate troubles and run-ins with the authorities. He has a lot to answer for, but I doubt if he will care what he has done. He has caused so much damage to Rangers and put the fans through hell.

But HMRC are very much complicit in this as well. They helped bring an institution to its knees over nothing.

All the heartache, all the problems, all the pain, has been for nothing and Rangers fans are rightly angry.

The big tax case was all ifs, buts and maybes, and they have now been proven wrong - twice.

This supposed bill of £80million or £100m put off prospective buyers and allowed Whyte in the door.

There is nothing that can be done for Rangers unfortunately. It has all happened and the club has to make its way back.

But I hope we haven't heard the last of this and people will be held accountable for this chain of events.

The other thing that is ongoing at the moment is the BDO investigation into the whole affair.

Any money raised through BDO action will go into the creditors' pot and hopefully as many people as possible that Rangers owed money to will get as much as possible back.

It is hard to comprehend how much damage has been done to the Light Blues in the last few years. It has set the club back years and years.

They were thrown out of the top flight, have had no European football, been denied prize money and lost millions of pounds worth of players.

Rangers have had to rebuild from the bottom, but the club will return to the top once again.

Even if HMRC had won this case, they wouldn't have got any money because the case was against the old company.

Taxpayers have got to be asking why so much time, effort and money was spent on this case? They have got nothing to show for it.

But Rangers, and the fans, will have to deal with the fallout and ramifications of this mess for years to come.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/ranger...0650n.24716353

I agree with some of your well made points, however and I'm not a Murray lover, he was duped by Whyte as well and we can say he should of known better but how many of us basked in the glory years of for every fiver the filth spend I'll spend a tenner and he did? The biggest disgrace is HMRC perusing a futile tax case against a bust company, even had they won they'd of got nothing? My tax your tax wasted by these bastards sickens me to the core giruy c***s!

200000 Heroes
11-07-2014, 09:07
Correct,this is the central point.
We have repeatedly been told that each EBT case stands on it's own merits and it's therefore not goung to set a precedent.
Why are HMRC hellbent in pursuing a case when there is no hope of recovering any monies? How much has it cost the taxpayer to fund this case?
However the most important point to make regarding HMRC is why they have not investigated the criminal acts by their own staff in leaking sensitive and confidential information on an industrial scale.
At least the piece in DJ's name poses a few good questions which may hopefully lead us in that direction.

Agree entirely with this.

Another incredible part of this national scandal is that not a single page has been leafed in HMRC to discover who illegally leaked information that ultimately contributed hugely to a massive tens of millions pounds loss to us, to individual bondholders, to shareholders and to The Exchequer itself.

True Blue 1972
11-07-2014, 09:07
Excellent statement from big DJ. He has been guilty in the past of being too nice a guy and too eager to have a laugh with people he thought were friends but he doesn't miss them here, well done Derek Johnstone!

This isn't the first time he's stood up for us recently either and I doubt it will be the last, let's hear what our other high profile ex players have got to say...

old bluebell
11-07-2014, 09:16
The consensus on here was the third division was the right thing to do at the time...people love to forget these things. Hardly something to have a go at dj for...but some of our fans are so bitter that attacking our ex players is there favourite sport

while i agree about those attacking ex players , think people forgetting about pickin third div is off the mark a bit,
yeah it was the consensus to take the drop to the 3rd but only because of the circumstances which we could do nothing about ,
it was 1st or 3rd THE SPHELL had an eye on a quick return of the blue pound the ones with so called integrity , the attitude on here was if we are to be punished then do it right , at no stage did i read WE DESERVED it or were guilty as charged

Sam_English
11-07-2014, 09:18
That's a fantastic article by big DJ, and bang on.

willie w
11-07-2014, 09:20
Murray Lloyds sold to Whyte to escape the possible tax liability, Whyte chose administration/ liquidation for the same reason. HMRC central to everything that has happened to us.
Write to your mp today and demand an equiry.
But we'll said DJ.

volunteer
11-07-2014, 09:23
DEREK JOHNSTONE today demanded an apology from some of the most high-profile names in Scottish football in the wake of Rangers' victory over the taxman.



He said: "A lot of people in the game should hang their heads in shame. Rangers are owed a huge apology."

HM Revenue and Customs this week lost their appeal to the 'big tax case' verdict that ruled Rangers were not guilty of wrong-doing during Sir David Murray's time at the helm.

The spectre of the case cast a huge cloud over the club before a disastrous chain of events unfolded that led to Ally McCoist's side dropping down to the Third Division two years ago.

On Wednesday, the Union of Fans hit out at SFA chief Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster of the SPFL, Stephen Thompson, Rod Petrie, Peter Lawwell and lawyer Rod McKenzie for their actions and comments during Rangers' troubles.

DJ told SportTimes: "They all came to the conclusion that Rangers were guilty before anything was proven.

"They all had their say and every one has been proven wrong.

"The most famous two words that were spouted was 'sporting integrity'. Well, where is the sporting integrity in what has happened to Rangers? The club and the fans have been proven right.

"I hope the club are recompensed for everything they have missed out on in the last two years."

Despite being cleared for the second time in the courts, the ruling is a bitter-sweet one for Rangers fans and the club as Ally McCoist's side look to complete their journey back to the top flight this term.

But Johnstone insists the actions of some should never be forgotten after Rangers and the Light Blue legions were vindicated once again.

He said: "A lot of people in the media jumped on the bandwagon as well. It was all built on ifs, buts and maybes, and too many people lined up to stick the boot into Rangers.

"It was absolute rubbish. I think there should be many, many apologies sent to Rangers in the next few days.

"It is good that it has all come out and Rangers have been vindicated. That is fantastic.

"But there are a lot of people who will have their heads buried in the sand and will be keeping a low profile in the next few weeks."

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-legend-demands-apology-over-ebt-debacle-170696n.24723784

Good article from DJ but there will probably be no apologies.
Let us stand by our words and not enter the grounds of these people who chose to put themselves to the fore in kicking our club down.

It won't be forgotten!

rino100
11-07-2014, 09:28
well said DJ,

we could do with more Rangers men calling them out , people like AJ could say his piece next?

JR Ewing
11-07-2014, 09:30
Well said DJ. Still one of my all time favourite players.

skorn
11-07-2014, 09:36
Good article from DJ there.

Might I suggest that outlets like FF, CRO, the Standard (and even the V** lot) start contacting every other big name affected by this and carefully get THEM on record too ?

If every Gers player (and definitely as many foreigners as possible) gives such a decent piece -- after the way they have been smeared as "cheats" -- then that's a good basis to build an especially global PR strtegy upon.


btw, I'd like to see us start using the term "vexatious" more when describing the HMRC's witch-hunt against us.
"Frivolous" is another that will strike a chord with them.

Ubik
11-07-2014, 09:42
that's as hard hitting from any of our ex players as ive ever seen.

True Blue 1972
11-07-2014, 09:44
Correct,this is the central point.
We have repeatedly been told that each EBT case stands on it's own merits and it's therefore not goung to set a precedent.
Why are HMRC hellbent in pursuing a case when there is no hope of recovering any monies? How much has it cost the taxpayer to fund this case?
However the most important point to make regarding HMRC is why they have not investigated the criminal acts by their own staff in leaking sensitive and confidential information on an industrial scale.
At least the piece in DJ's name poses a few good questions which may hopefully lead us in that direction.
You are quite right to focus on one of the real root causes of our demise but to leave out Lloyds & Minty's roles only tells part of the story. The amount of pressure Murray was obviously put under to sell shouldn't ever be forgotten either, he was facing financial ruin for his beloved empire and massive job losses and took what he thought was the only option.

This is what happens when too many bigoted hate filled Rhepublican bastards get into positions of power and weak egotistical and desperate men fall on hard times!

Our real troubles could be traced back to 1982 when the King of the Peados told his downtrodden followers to get themselves educated and to get themselves into powerful and influential posts and then to surround themselves with their like minded friends.

These FB's are sleekit devious individuals who hate us with an intensity that we can't truly comprehend and will stop at absolutely nothing to destroy us but they haven't quite succeeded yet and I don't think they ever will despite our current situation.

There is a growing awareness amongst the rank and file Rangers support now of what's really been going on and the power this slumbering giant has might just start to be felt now that its slowly awakening. We might be on our knees now but we have too many good men for that to continue for much longer, natural justice will be served eventually...

gourockblue50
11-07-2014, 09:50
DJ can be a bit of a buffoon at times but fair play, he is spot on here.

garyw09
11-07-2014, 09:53
"I hope the club are recompensed for everything they have missed out on in the last two years."

This should be the most important part, we have effectively been stripped of titles and prize money we should have won.

bluebunny1
11-07-2014, 10:00
DJ should have named names. He just refers to "a lot of people" or "they". Name & shame DJ, otherwise your words are empty.

INVERURIEBEAR
11-07-2014, 10:02
Very surprised but delighted to see DJ has the balls to have a go at people yet odds on we won't hear anything like this from Walter which is sad really also none of the players from
His time in charge won't have a go at Murray

mart22
11-07-2014, 10:03
There was a lot of nonsense, absolute nonsense, spouted about Rangers, and all those people are wrong.

This is my new favourite big DJ quote. At least he has the guts to come out and tell it like it is.

bearfaecumbernauld
11-07-2014, 10:04
Good article by DJ but we need more of this from our former players who were part of the EBT.

Also Malcolm Murray was forced to issue an apology on behalf of Rangers to the whole of Scottish football in July 2012.

I would like Malcolm Murray to go to the mhedia and demand that the SFA, the SPL offer a similar apology to Rangers FC.

The football authorities in this country are a disgrace. They found us guilty before the EBT case was heard so MM should be out shouting we had to apologise so who is going to apologise to us?

I still think the RFFF should be used to sue people who called Rangers cheats and tax dodgers.

We should go after Mark Daly, Queersie, Spence, Penn State Broadcasting, the whole lot of them should be held to account.

They slandered our club and what else will the RFFF be used for?

Pub_spy
11-07-2014, 10:07
Do you think the massive media pressure on David Murray led him to panic, when actually the moves he made were sensible and were keeping the club afloat? Ie bringing in alastair Johnston etc. we were slowly heading to eradicating the smaller debt.

ziyer06
11-07-2014, 10:08
DJ should have named names. He just refers to "a lot of people" or "they". Name & shame DJ, otherwise your words are empty.

Some folk are never happy!

A good statement from Big DJ. Hopefully a few other Rangers men can keep the pressure up with similar demands.

bigbluenose43
11-07-2014, 10:12
Murray is still to blame in my eyes, but it's clear that HMRC are almost as complicit.

Their leaks, briefings etc created an atmosphere whereby club couldn't be sold 'normally'. This is what almost sunk us...

And they knew what they were doing.

Murray is partly to blame due to the fact that he failed to keep our finances under control during his tenure.

The timing of it all was unbelievably unlucky for us as the economic downturn left Murray at the mercy of Lloyds bank and Manus Fullarton who demanded the £18m owed or they would withdraw the overdraft facilities for M.I.H.

Then H.M.R.C. surfaced (the R.C.) is ironic,after waiting 9 months knowing whyte had paid no tax or paye,to serve a demand for another £15m on top of the phantom big tax bill.

Then all and sundry judge and sentence us before the trial.We have been royally shafted and the chain of events have set us back years.

We are owed money from the S.F.A. for runners up in SPL 2012,we are due compensation for not playing in the SPL for the past 2 seasons,we are due compensation for not being able to compete in European competition.

We are due compensation for missing out on television payments and possible blue chip sponsorship.We are due compensation for losing a squad of players who combined would have fetched a lot of money in the transfer market.

We are due compensation from the S.F.A. for the punishments handed out to us and for allowing whyte(not a fit or proper person) to acquire control.We are due compensation from S.F.A. for having our club run by Wigs thanks to them.

We are due compensation from H.M.R.C. for causing the administration and subsequent liquidation of the old company who owned Rangers F.C.

In short we are due an astronomical amount of money which could hopefully reverse the above events.After all is said and done if there is any justice Karma will ensure all the perpetrators suffer as we have done,No Surrender.

johnkp
11-07-2014, 10:13
I agree with some of your well made points, however and I'm not a Murray lover, he was duped by Whyte as well and we can say he should of known better but how many of us basked in the glory years of for every fiver the filth spend I'll spend a tenner and he did? The biggest disgrace is HMRC perusing a futile tax case against a bust company, even had they won they'd of got nothing? My tax your tax wasted by these bastards sickens me to the core giruy c***s!

Murray wasn't duped - he was warned about Whyte months before he cut us loose from MIH. People should never forget that this whole situation arose from Murray's use of EBTs. That opened the door to HMRC to wreak the havoc they have.

possilbear1
11-07-2014, 10:30
Now we need more former players and managers.to come out and ramp the pressure up.we can't let this die away

Moodymann
11-07-2014, 10:33
It's a good piece by DJ. At least it's out there.

warfieldranger
11-07-2014, 10:33
Well said DJ.

private ryan
11-07-2014, 10:34
They can stick their apologies right up their collective dung pipes, I want retribution, I want compensated, I want people sacked and I want the whole truth of how the despicable sectarian laden agenda of those who strove to kill us laid bare, because by *** us teddy bears deserve it.

I want to hear them tell us why they did what they did and who pushed them, can we start with the fat repugnant lying lawyer the sfa used to gather paper, that's one cnt I would like to see dragged over the coals.

Bitter? You better believe it and it will never ever leave me, my great grand children will know what these basturts did to us.

bornabluenose
11-07-2014, 10:37
Johnstone is slated regularly on here, sometimes rightly so, but that piece is excellent and bang on the money.Couldn't agree more.

He may well be a buffoon , in terms of his pandering to the media at times, but he has it nailed here.

The Big Cheese
11-07-2014, 10:39
You are quite right to focus on one of the real root causes of our demise but to leave out Lloyds & Minty's roles only tells part of the story. The amount of pressure Murray was obviously put under to sell shouldn't ever be forgotten either, he was facing financial ruin for his beloved empire and massive job losses and took what he thought was the only option.

This is what happens when too many bigoted hate filled Rhepublican bastards get into positions of power and weak egotistical and desperate men fall on hard times!

Our real troubles could be traced back to 1982 when the King of the Peados told his downtrodden followers to get themselves educated and to get themselves into powerful and influential posts and then to surround themselves with their like minded friends.

These FB's are sleekit devious individuals who hate us with an intensity that we can't truly comprehend and will stop at absolutely nothing to destroy us but they haven't quite succeeded yet and I don't think they ever will despite our current situation.

There is a growing awareness amongst the rank and file Rangers support now of what's really been going on and the power this slumbering giant has might just start to be felt now that its slowly awakening. We might be on our knees now but we have too many good men for that to continue for much longer, natural justice will be served eventually...

No argument from me on this post.

rednblack
11-07-2014, 10:48
They can stick their apologies right up their collective dung pipes, I want retribution, I want compensated, I want people sacked and I want the whole truth of how the despicable sectarian laden agenda of those who strove to kill us laid bare, because by *** us teddy bears deserve it.

I want to hear them tell us why they did what they did and who pushed them, can we start with the fat repugnant lying lawyer the sfa used to gather paper, that's one cnt I would like to see dragged over the coals.

Bitter? You better believe it and it will never ever leave me, my great grand children will know what these basturts did to us.

Totally 100% agree the question has to be asked and answered how all the SPHell and SFA were so keen to line up and try to kill our club who was behind this and why??? this whole affair should set alarm bells ringing - Scottish Football has been infected, infiltrated by a cabal with an unknown agenda time this was exposed and eliminated - Time for the fight to begin nothing short of a full public enquiry is required to explain how HMRC info was leaked and how this prosecution was carried forward when there was no case to answer at a cost to the taxpayer of millions, who was/is driving this we need to know

GIBBONBEAR
11-07-2014, 10:49
Did DJ not repeatedly agree with numerous Clyde panels that Rangers 'deserved to be punished' over the goings on's of the past 2-3 years?

After this bold and truthful statement his name will probably be scrubbed from the guest list for radio clyde super scoreboard for not toeing the party line

cw3038
11-07-2014, 10:53
Smashin piece big man,they know and we know who they are.

Bowery Boys
11-07-2014, 10:53
Good on him.

Where are the rest of them?

loyalistpicken
11-07-2014, 11:17
They can stick their apologies right up their collective dung pipes, I want retribution, I want compensated, I want people sacked and I want the whole truth of how the despicable sectarian laden agenda of those who strove to kill us laid bare, because by *** us teddy bears deserve it.

I want to hear them tell us why they did what they did and who pushed them, can we start with the fat repugnant lying lawyer the sfa used to gather paper, that's one cnt I would like to see dragged over the coals.

Bitter? You better believe it and it will never ever leave me, my great grand children will know what these basturts did to us.

Retribution start with an appology they were wrong....... kaaachingggg keep it rolling in till were fully compensated and more will follow with heads rolling

skorn
11-07-2014, 11:36
We are owed money from the S.F.A. for runners up in SPL 2012,we are due compensation for not playing in the SPL for the past 2 seasons,we are due compensation for not being able to compete in European competition.

We are due compensation for missing out on television payments and possible blue chip sponsorship.We are due compensation for losing a squad of players who combined would have fetched a lot of money in the transfer market.

We are due compensation from the S.F.A. for the punishments handed out to us and for allowing whyte(not a fit or proper person) to acquire control.We are due compensation from S.F.A. for having our club run by Wigs thanks to them.

We are due compensation from H.M.R.C. for causing the administration and subsequent liquidation of the old company who owned Rangers F.C.

In short we are due an astronomical amount of money which could hopefully reverse the above events.After all is said and done if there is any justice Karma will ensure all the perpetrators suffer as we have done,No Surrender.


The way to approach all of these ?

Bring in lawyers on a no win -- no fee basis, where they take a percentage of damages.
I strongly suspect that there would be a queue of sharp litigators for some of the opportunities there.

We pay nothing, and let the wolves loose on those who tried to destroy us.

rfc1952
11-07-2014, 11:39
Any apologies would be "hollow" - what I want is an admission of guilt and reasons the smaller clubs in particular took the stance they did - what pressure/threats or even promises were made by the major clubs ?

Never going to happen though :(

tommo20
11-07-2014, 12:00
I will never go to another away game only Ibrox for me never go and see Scotland again regain can just **** off and all his sfa buddies

Bluebells Bar, Puerto Del Carmen
11-07-2014, 12:27
I have slagged DJ on here in the past for talking shite but credit to him on this one.

bluebarney
11-07-2014, 12:29
Good on him.

Where are the rest of them?

Exactly right, there are a lot of high profile, well respected Rangers men who need to step up and put the pressure on. You might retire from a job but you don't retire from being a Ranger

albertz11
11-07-2014, 12:30
Johnstone is slated regularly on here, sometimes rightly so, but that piece is excellent and bang on the money.

Correct for a change well done DJ

bigkahunarab
11-07-2014, 12:34
Well said DJ now never let them rest.

white owl
11-07-2014, 12:37
The consensus on here was the third division was the right thing to do at the time...people love to forget these things. Hardly something to have a go at dj for...but some of our fans are so bitter that attacking our ex players is there favourite sport

only, due to the fact they wanted us to start 16 points behind every season for 3 years and give up the price and tv money we would have won, this is why we said **** that we would be better in the 3rd division, than be kept in the top league hamstrung.

bluenose1979
11-07-2014, 12:40
The sentiment is spot on, but the reality is that we'll never see true vindication for what was done to us.

Those who wanted us crippled and who leveled the accusations have never been interested in justice or facts or proof or 'integrity'. They simply hate Rangers and wish harm on us.

Nothing will ever change their views, no amount of evidence or rulings will ever be enough. They are ignorant, hate-filled, pig-headed morons and have a locked-in arrogance and a mentality that will never be altered.

To expect them to admit they are wrong, let alone apologise or compensate us for their deeds is simply cloud cuckoo stuff.

It's a valid argument as long as the realistic expectation is that it'll never actually happen on account of them simply being nasty, bitter bigots.

picalo28
11-07-2014, 12:44
This will be a must for all fans

"But Johnstone insists the actions of some should never be forgotten"

He should have said actions of all mind you.

Jose Calypso
11-07-2014, 12:52
Wel said DJ. We all know that no one will apologise tho.

Kingsparkger
11-07-2014, 12:56
Good on DJ, takes a lot of stick at times (rightly) but he's said the right thing here.

alastair
11-07-2014, 13:02
Did DJ not repeatedly agree with numerous Clyde panels that Rangers 'deserved to be punished' over the goings on's of the past 2-3 years?

We did deserve to be punished because of what Whyte did, there's no getting away from that.

The problem is we should never have been in the position that gave a scum ball like him the opportunity to get his hands on us.

Pedro1978
11-07-2014, 13:12
We did deserve to be punished because of what Whyte did, there's no getting away from that.

The problem is we should never have been in the position that gave a scum ball like him the opportunity to get his hands on us.

This is why the Collier Bristow settlement when it breaks is when we should really go after the SFA, SPL and the media.

Slated for being the victims of a fraud.

Fingers1873
11-07-2014, 13:33
They can stick their apologies right up their collective dung pipes, I want retribution, I want compensated, I want people sacked and I want the whole truth of how the despicable sectarian laden agenda of those who strove to kill us laid bare, because by *** us teddy bears deserve it.

I want to hear them tell us why they did what they did and who pushed them, can we start with the fat repugnant lying lawyer the sfa used to gather paper, that's one cnt I would like to see dragged over the coals.

Bitter? You better believe it and it will never ever leave me, my great grand children will know what these basturts did to us.

Well said mate, I agree 100% re that fat piece of shit low level papist gatherer. I'd also like the incompetent arse Regan taken to task at the same time.

Well done to big DJ, hopefully he is just the first of many to speak out.

slimjimbaxter
11-07-2014, 13:40
They can stick their apologies right up their collective dung pipes, I want retribution, I want compensated, I want people sacked and I want the whole truth of how the despicable sectarian laden agenda of those who strove to kill us laid bare, because by *** us teddy bears deserve it.

I want to hear them tell us why they did what they did and who pushed them, can we start with the fat repugnant lying lawyer the sfa used to gather paper, that's one cnt I would like to see dragged over the coals.

Bitter? You better believe it and it will never ever leave me, my great grand children will know what these basturts did to us.

Well said, sir. My sentiments exactly. I will never forgive any of them and do not give a shit about the future, present situations of any other club , fans and officials. My only interests in football are Rangers and Ibrox, nothing else.

Ally54
11-07-2014, 13:46
The best article DJ has written in 20 years.

Bearsden Bear
11-07-2014, 13:48
Did DJ not repeatedly agree with numerous Clyde panels that Rangers 'deserved to be punished' over the goings on's of the past 2-3 years?

Sadly, this is true. I cringed at the time.

Bearsden Bear
11-07-2014, 13:48
The best article DJ has written in 20 years.

Probably is.

baystatebear
11-07-2014, 13:50
To hell with apologies, I think a major lawsuit is what is required. Unfortunately, this is where we are hurt given the current uncertainty over the Ibrox board and its problematic relationship to the fans. Had this been a more positive one then, together with the aid of a smart tough barrister, the club and its supporters could actively set about pursuing ways of obtaining monetary compensation through the courts for the massive financial damage that was inflicted on us over the past few years.

servicepoint
11-07-2014, 14:08
I want compensation for the Club and loads of it, I want the heads of everyone involved in the downright sectarian corruption, ruined reputations , careers finished.... everything out in the open.


Screw any apology, nothing they could say would be enough.

Continuing on if it's found Liewell and Their are involved, as I'm sure they were , I want their tainted titles, prize money CL cash stripped off them and banished to the lower league's for sporting integrity.

Govan Front Ger
11-07-2014, 14:15
The best thing in years to come from Derek Johnstone.

I criticise him when needed but he is bang on the money here.

Well said Big Man :)

turrabear
11-07-2014, 14:16
dj has found his balls at last.

Bigeye
11-07-2014, 14:18
screw the apologies, what about some financial compensation

Daddy_Bear07
11-07-2014, 14:23
Now we need more former players and managers.to come out and ramp the pressure up.we can't let this die away

This is what I was about to post.

We can't let this just die away we need other Rangers people to back DJ and in turn others to drive this home.

For once can we unite and back each other to the hilt!

Charlie Dont Surf
11-07-2014, 14:27
Players must come out and say they will sue due to blackening of character due to being called cheats ?

MoodyBlue1872
11-07-2014, 14:31
There will be NO apologies from anyone.

chateaubleu
11-07-2014, 15:10
There will be NO apologies from anyone.

Precisely.

They have achieved what they set out to do - throw enough mud at us so that we couldn't move. Didn't need to be facts they were dealing with, just as long as there was enough being said to create enough doubt.

Anyone waiting for an apology is on to plums.

In fact, I don't even WANT an apology. It'll be a ****ing 4 second broadcast at 3 in the morning if it happens. Or a 1/2 inch square blurb on page 21 of the red tops. It means **** all to me.

I want people jailed. I want people exposed. I want it so that anyone involved in this farce is made unemployable and is toxic for the rest of their lives. I want them to regret doing what they did to us. They believe they're that beyond reproach that they need to learn that what they did was wrong in the strongest possible way.

Heads should roll over this - it's a national scandal. But don't hold your breath for ANYTHING.

MoodyBlue1872
11-07-2014, 15:13
Precisely.

They have achieved what they set out to do - throw enough mud at us so that we couldn't move. Didn't need to be facts they were dealing with, just as long as there was enough being said to create enough doubt.

Anyone waiting for an apology is on to plums.

In fact, I don't even WANT an apology. It'll be a ****ing 4 second broadcast at 3 in the morning if it happens. Or a 1/2 inch square blurb on page 21 of the red tops. It means **** all to me.

I want people jailed. I want people exposed. I want it so that anyone involved in this farce is made unemployable and is toxic for the rest of their lives. I want them to regret doing what they did to us. They believe they're that beyond reproach that they need to learn that what they did was wrong in the strongest possible way.

Heads should roll over this - it's a national scandal. But don't hold your breath for ANYTHING.

I agree with all that.

Those who should be apologising - but won't - are just laighing at us right now. No-one will ever apologise.

They don't give a flying f.uck that we have been found 'not guilty' twice. They are just happy in the knowlege that they have f.ucked up our club for a number of years.

I want revenge - big time !!!!

skorn
11-07-2014, 15:35
Now we need more former players and managers.to come out and ramp the pressure up.we can't let this die away

Indeed.

I posted earlier that outlets like FF, CRO, the Standard (and even the V** lot) start contacting every other big name affected by this and carefully get THEM on record too.

If every Gers player (and definitely as many foreigners as possible) gives such a decent piece -- after the way they have been smeared as "cheats" -- then that's a good basis to build an especially global PR strtegy upon.



Getting internationally-recognised names to give similar soundbites and interviews would allow us to spread the message globally that we have been appallingly mistreated.

I believe that established outlets like the ones I mention are best suited to getting in touch with such stars.

s_mac
11-07-2014, 15:39
sorry, i can't take anything the fat moron says seriously.

every right-minded person on the planet knows that we are due an apology for the shameful and scandalous way we've been treated by many sections of the scottish establishment.

we don't need that fat halfwit to tell us what we already know.

broxi blue
11-07-2014, 16:00
DEREK JOHNSTONE today demanded an apology from some of the most high-profile names in Scottish football in the wake of Rangers' victory over the taxman.



He said: "A lot of people in the game should hang their heads in shame. Rangers are owed a huge apology."

HM Revenue and Customs this week lost their appeal to the 'big tax case' verdict that ruled Rangers were not guilty of wrong-doing during Sir David Murray's time at the helm.

The spectre of the case cast a huge cloud over the club before a disastrous chain of events unfolded that led to Ally McCoist's side dropping down to the Third Division two years ago.

On Wednesday, the Union of Fans hit out at SFA chief Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster of the SPFL, Stephen Thompson, Rod Petrie, Peter Lawwell and lawyer Rod McKenzie for their actions and comments during Rangers' troubles.

DJ told SportTimes: "They all came to the conclusion that Rangers were guilty before anything was proven.

"They all had their say and every one has been proven wrong.

"The most famous two words that were spouted was 'sporting integrity'. Well, where is the sporting integrity in what has happened to Rangers? The club and the fans have been proven right.

"I hope the club are recompensed for everything they have missed out on in the last two years."

Despite being cleared for the second time in the courts, the ruling is a bitter-sweet one for Rangers fans and the club as Ally McCoist's side look to complete their journey back to the top flight this term.

But Johnstone insists the actions of some should never be forgotten after Rangers and the Light Blue legions were vindicated once again.

He said: "A lot of people in the media jumped on the bandwagon as well. It was all built on ifs, buts and maybes, and too many people lined up to stick the boot into Rangers.

"It was absolute rubbish. I think there should be many, many apologies sent to Rangers in the next few days.

"It is good that it has all come out and Rangers have been vindicated. That is fantastic.

"But there are a lot of people who will have their heads buried in the sand and will be keeping a low profile in the next few weeks."

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/rangers/rangers-legend-demands-apology-over-ebt-debacle-170696n.24723784

Nice one Derek

Grangemouth_Bear
11-07-2014, 16:05
Well said DJ.

The list would be huge for apologies required!

A1bertz
11-07-2014, 16:17
Maybe HMRC appealled as a guilty verdict would have given the SFPL (or whatever they are called) enough AMMO to launch an additional probe aimed at taking titles.

Bowery Boys
11-07-2014, 16:19
sorry, i can't take anything the fat moron says seriously.

every right-minded person on the planet knows that we are due an apology for the shameful and scandalous way we've been treated by many sections of the scottish establishment.

we don't need that fat halfwit to tell us what we already know.
Christ knows I've criticised DJ on numerous ocassions for some of his comments but to label him a fat moron is f*cking atrocious.

WeeVlad
11-07-2014, 16:22
never forget

gazza162
11-07-2014, 16:32
would be good if some of those defamed , ie big eck , barry ferguson etc, all the players accused of cheating, would talk to their lawyers about taking legal action against the cowards who joined the feeding frenzy ,

bobs68
11-07-2014, 16:32
Sporting Integrity should be a phrase we should now be pushing down every fenian, jelous, sheep, arab fu_kers throat.

The Big Cheese
11-07-2014, 16:42
Maybe HMRC appealled as a guilty verdict would have given the SFPL (or whatever they are called) enough AMMO to launch an additional probe aimed at taking titles.

Now your getting somewhere.
Anyone who believes there was no collusion,no sharing of info,no tactical union between HMRC and our enemies within the game is plain daft.

devilman
11-07-2014, 16:43
Well done DJ - we need more ex-players making noise as well. We need the club to be making a lot more noise but good to see this article in the news today.

hutch42
11-07-2014, 16:51
Hmrc are scum and heads should roll

Enigma
11-07-2014, 17:01
There was a lot of nonsense, absolute nonsense, spouted about Rangers, and all those people are wrong.

When Rangers were available to buy, a number of interested parties were put off by this tax bill that the club were supposedly due to pay.

The tax man, and so many involved since, have done Rangers and put them where they are today.

It is a disgrace.

Whyte had a record of corporate troubles and run-ins with the authorities.

But HMRC are very much complicit in this as well. They helped bring an institution to its knees over nothing.

The big tax case was all ifs, buts and maybes, and they have now been proven wrong - twice.

This supposed bill of £80million or £100m put off prospective buyers and allowed Whyte in the door.

But I hope we haven't heard the last of this and people will be held accountable for this chain of events.

It is hard to comprehend how much damage has been done to the Light Blues in the last few years. It has set the club back years and years.

They were thrown out of the top flight, have had no European football, been denied prize money and lost millions of pounds worth of players.

Even if HMRC had won this case, they wouldn't have got any money because the case was against the old company.

Taxpayers have got to be asking why so much time, effort and money was spent on this case? They have got nothing to show for it.Those to me are the most pertinent points that everyone should read in DJ's story and 100% spot on.

It is also worthy of note also and serious questions have to be asked as to why HMRC knowingly will not recover nothing from this case even if they won it against Rangers and why millions of taxpayers money continues to be spent on a case that won't recover one penny.

I am of the opinion and always have been... There are dark forces at work here in trying to destroy a great institution to the extent it has to be done at all costs and no expense spared in using taxpayers money.

skorn
11-07-2014, 17:23
It is also worthy of note also and serious questions have to be asked as to why HMRC knowingly will not recover nothing from this case even if they won it against Rangers and why millions of taxpayers money continues to be spent on a case that won't recover one penny.


Quite.

The routine that this is a "test case" never washed because every EBT is set up differently.

They've been told over and over that there's nothing to to gain, financially or as a legal precedent.

Reading over the latest judgement again, I can't see any way forwards for HMRC.

They really shouldn't be getting any more leeway to waste time in vexatious and frivolous Appeals, in a case without money nor sense.

dh1963
11-07-2014, 17:34
Let's hope DJ is the first of many who will keep this in the headlines till we start getting answers.

Blackberrysmoke1
11-07-2014, 18:05
Remember sandy jardine at the front of the march to hampden?....the club owe it to sandy and the thousands/millions of rangers supporters worldwide to seriously pursue all parties who wronged against us and tried to kill of a worldwide institution.
They must be brought to justice for their corrupt and criminal behaviour in this footballing scandal.

Gersandproud
11-07-2014, 18:14
Did DJ not repeatedly agree with numerous Clyde panels that Rangers 'deserved to be punished' over the goings on's of the past 2-3 years?

Yes he did

So regrettably although the contents of this piece are valid - I certainly don't see it as any vindication of DJ himself -
As far as I'm concerned DJ owed us all an apology long before any of these events

He's just as likely to endorse another negative story again next week if it suits his and his paymaster's agenda

trust him at your peril

Blackberrysmoke1
11-07-2014, 18:20
Yes he did

So regrettably although the contents of this piece are valid - I certainly don't see it as any vindication of DJ himself -
As far as I'm concerned DJ owed us all an apology long before any of these events

He's juat as likely to endorse another negative story again next week if it suits his and his paymaster's agenda

trust him at your peril

I'm pretty sure DJ did say we deserved to be punished but also probably added " if found guilty of any wrong doing" to it as well,which has been overlooked.

beanyrfc
11-07-2014, 18:29
Yeah I'm sure DJ always used "if" when talking about the ebt

Captain Jock
11-07-2014, 18:38
Yes he did

So regrettably although the contents of this piece are valid - I certainly don't see it as any vindication of DJ himself -
As far as I'm concerned DJ owed us all an apology long before any of these events

He's juat as likely to endorse another negative story again next week if it suits his and his paymaster's agenda

trust him at your peril

You need to have a serious word with yourself!

Gersandproud
11-07-2014, 18:52
You need to have a serious word with yourself!

you're not a school teacher are you ?

Top_Cat
11-07-2014, 18:54
Let's hope DJ is the first of many who will keep this in the headlines till we start getting answers.

Not many stuck their heads above the parapet when we were up against it

am proud 2 b blue
11-07-2014, 19:42
Yes he did

So regrettably although the contents of this piece are valid - I certainly don't see it as any vindication of DJ himself -
As far as I'm concerned DJ owed us all an apology long before any of these events

He's just as likely to endorse another negative story again next week if it suits his and his paymaster's agenda

trust him at your peril

Trust him at your peril - what are you on.

He is one of a very small group of ex players who has continually stuck up for us; If you have bothered to listen to him at all over the past 2 1/2 years!

davieb1973
11-07-2014, 20:08
Great article from DJ,apolgies from sfa and sphell will be non existant, they still fined Rangers Football club £200,000 after we won the FTT, so anyone waiting on one ,it will be a long wait.

ally-c
11-07-2014, 20:09
Well said dj

Calvers72
11-07-2014, 22:10
Everyone I have spoken to outside of this poxy wee hate ridden country has told me they watched on in disbelief at the utter raping we were subjected to on a near daily basis as things went from bad to worse at the club and plenty of people have said to me they can't believe what has been allowed to happen and some of the outrageous and disgusting things that have been said about Rangers during this whole scandalous affair...we know it, outsiders looking in know it and even the dogs in the street know it reeks to the heavens of sinister Rangers hating bastards...plain and simple!

TynesideTrueBlues
11-07-2014, 22:11
Puts the official RFC present board to shame...

jonty9
11-07-2014, 22:51
Yes he did

So regrettably although the contents of this piece are valid - I certainly don't see it as any vindication of DJ himself -
As far as I'm concerned DJ owed us all an apology long before any of these events

He's just as likely to endorse another negative story again next week if it suits his and his paymaster's agenda

trust him at your peril

This 100%.

I'm just not getting the sudden love-in with Johnstone.
He sold his soul with RC years ago.

Oosy troosers
11-07-2014, 23:20
Quite.

The routine that this is a "test case" never washed because every EBT is set up differently.

They've been told over and over that there's nothing to to gain, financially or as a legal precedent.

Reading over the latest judgement again, I can't see any way forwards for HMRC.

They really shouldn't be getting any more leeway to waste time in vexatious and frivolous Appeals, in a case without money nor sense.

There should be an inquiry into why these bastards are wasting tax payer's hard earned, in pursuit of a lost cause, where even victory won't net them one brown penny.
Why not chase after the dozens of other companies who used them, companies who if HMRC fluked an unlikely victory, would have to furnish them with cash?

Anybody would think Timmy was at the heart of it.

the buffs
11-07-2014, 23:27
No one likes us we don't care !!!
The cream always rises to the top !!!

johncaldow
11-07-2014, 23:42
No one likes us we don't care !!!
The cream always rises to the top !!!

total bullshit......those type of comments are the problem......those ****s fight dirty, have people at the very top of the tree in the media, governing bodies and authorities, they think about what they are doing whilst we bicker......it wont ever change until we start playing the game the way they do.........

eleventh floor
12-07-2014, 00:02
No one likes us we don't care !!!
The cream always rises to the top !!!

What are you talking about?

RangersForMe
12-07-2014, 00:06
A good piece by DJ but unless he knows now, for certain, that the majority who phone Radio Clyde are Rangers haters who also despise him just for being a Rangers man and who goad him to be balanced beyond fault or appeasement, then his column will mean nothing.

It's way beyond the time that all Rangers men need to and must fight back. Those with a public voice must use it and keep using it.

stayfor90mins
12-07-2014, 00:50
Murray wasn't duped - he was warned about Whyte months before he cut us loose from MIH. People should never forget that this whole situation arose from Murray's use of EBTs. That opened the door to HMRC to wreak the havoc they have.

No it wasn't EBT's were legal

texas ranger
12-07-2014, 03:29
I don't want an apology, BBC Scotland have repeatedly " apologized" then came back out with more of the same.

I want people in some positions in Scottish football who acted on here-say looking for new jobs.

rossyboy8
12-07-2014, 03:39
Good article by DJ. Hard to find anything to disagree with in there.

govantrueblue
12-07-2014, 06:20
Typical that the article had to come from an ex Ger and not a current member of the press/media.

Wishful thinking on my part?

Well said anyway DJ.

suramericaranger
12-07-2014, 07:45
Even DJ wants some payback and our own bastarding board want to just leave it be.

Three-In-Seven
12-07-2014, 08:58
Well said DJ.

You can't argue with anything in the article.

Apologies would be a start, but I would be very surprised if anyone has the balls to turn round and admit they were wrong, and issue a public apology, as they only acted that way because of their hatred of Rangers.

That will never change.

They will never change.